To: xzins; Calvinist_Dark_Lord
"10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal. " If you deny that the Son is eternal (that he only became the "Son" at the Incarnation), are you legitimately a Trinitarian?
Jean
16 posted on
02/27/2003 8:31:29 AM PST by
Jean Chauvin
("The lot is cast into the lap, but the decision is wholly from the LORD" (Proverbs 16:33))
To: Jean Chauvin
Absolutely not.
In the beginning was the Word, and Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
Such a peculiar ordering of words on the part of the Apostle John can only be explained by the fact that John was led by the Holy Spirit to create an irrefutable doctrine of the trinity. It makes no sense outside the doctrine of the Trinity.
18 posted on
02/27/2003 8:47:26 AM PST by
xzins
(Babylon, you have been weighed in the balance and been found wanting!)
To: Jean Chauvin
If you deny that the Son is eternal (that he only became the "Son" at the Incarnation), are you legitimately a Trinitarian? From the Catholic perspective? No.
St. Athanasius, a Catholic bishop whom the above creed is traditionally ascribed to (though he may not have in fact written it), fought this very heresy that you describe.
To: Jean Chauvin
RE:
If you deny that the Son is eternal (that he only became the "Son" at the Incarnation), are you legitimately a Trinitarian?No, one who denies the Eternality of the Son is not legitimately "Trinitarian".
As soon as you say the Father is Eternal, then you have to say the Son is Eternal, for a Father cannot be a Father without a Son, therefore, if the Father is Eternal, then the Father has always been the Father, and the Son has always been the Son, by definition.
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