[SoothingDave]

only begotten- does not always mean only created.

I'm not sure what your point is here, but "begotten" never means "created."

"Begotten, not made" is the line in the Nicene Creed. Jesus is not a "Creature", He is not "Created."

He is begotten.

SD

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

I'm not sure what your point is here, but "begotten" never means "created."

You are quite correct on that point, and i am still not at 100%. i actually confused discussions. The point i was making was actually based on the word gennavw, which is an entirely different concept than monogenhvß.

My apologies, should have actually looked at the tread rather than rely on my memory of events.

[xzins]

Jesus was not created BECAUSE "all things were made BY HIM, and without Him was not anything made that was made."