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To: Siobhan
This article is a hit piece. A worthless piece of trash.

Do you have any comments as to why Groeschel chose not to comment to the writer of this article?

Oh, I forgot. Groeschel blames the media for the sexual abuse crisis.

It's best left under the rug.

I've got another article that I will have to type in, but it details how a Dallas priest, Fr. Richard T. Brown, identified by the bishop of Dallas as a sexual perpetrator (the bishop of Dallas, no less), was relieved of duty in Dallas, and then went to work with Father John Hardon (yes, the Father Hardon), and helped him lead retreats for adults in Detroit.

6 posted on 03/02/2003 11:08:19 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur; Siobhan
You certainly seem to draw perverse pleasure out of impugning orthodox/conservative Catholic priests.

Why?

8 posted on 03/02/2003 11:11:01 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: sinkspur
Their are both the seal of the confessional as well as psychologist/patient privilege at work here. You know that.

This is just an attack on a holy man, and you can't wait to attack another holy priest, may he rest in peace.

13 posted on 03/02/2003 11:39:27 AM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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To: sinkspur
There are both the seal of the confessional as well as psychologist/patient privilege at work here. You know that.

This is just an attack on a holy man, and you can't wait to attack another holy priest, may he rest in peace.

14 posted on 03/02/2003 11:39:43 AM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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To: sinkspur
Since some of the priests who have done these horrible things support a married clergy, should we impugn all people who support the married clergy?
27 posted on 03/02/2003 12:36:28 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: sinkspur
Do you have any comments as to why Groeschel chose not to comment to the writer of this article?

Are you truly THAT ignorant of Christianity? The ultimate act of humility is NOT to answer those who condemn you. For more information on this, see Jesus before the Sanhedrin.
81 posted on 03/02/2003 8:49:51 PM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: sinkspur; Antoninus
Fr. Groeschel owes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the author of the article. Fr. Groeschel will be remembered favorably long after the newsie has gone to the grave and well-deserved obscurity. Fr. Groeschel, as a psychologist alone, would owe no answers to the press or media. More importantly, he is a priest of the Roman Catholic Church and, insofar, as he has given pastoral counseling or heard the confessions of those who had misbehaved, he is not even entitled to discuss the matter with others and is protected by civil law from any obligation to do so. He should be prepared to suffer martyrdom before revealing anything of a confidential nature learned in counseling or the hearing of confessions.

No one in his or her right mind blames the press or the media for the controversy. The blame lies with AmChurch liberal spaghetti-spines like Bishop Grahman of Dallas notoriety, Lavender Weakland formerly of Milwaukee, Roger Cardinal McPhony, Bernard Cardinal Lawless, Fr. NAMBLA Slattery, Fr. Geoghan and so many others of the Kumbaya persuasion who have engaged in the full-time headlong crusade to destroy the American Church for the last 40 years and more. Occasionally and quite rarely, someone who is not a militant or malleable Kumbaya is also responsible (Bishop Thomas Daily comes to mind). Purge each and every one. Remove them from their ecclesiastical offices. Defrock them as priests. Remove their left-wing toadies from their positions as termites in the AmChurch bureaucracy.

Fr. Hardon was one of the very last of the Catholic Jesuits and deserves not to be libeled posthumously. Fr. Groeschel is still with us and doing a generally excellent job in spite of being a psychologist. Whoever the idiot New York State official may be who claimed that Fr. Groeschel serving as a "counselling psychologist" without a New York State license to do so is as an ancient British wag once said "a ass, a idiot." The Roman Catholic clergy needs no license to counsel anyone and the First Amendment guarantees that New York State cannot do a thing about it, not that New York is about to try.

Any priest working under the direct supervision of either Fr. Groeschel or the late Fr. Hardon is not likely to offend again while under such supervision. The pederasts and other perverts formerly in the priesthood have conducted themselves despicably but they still need to eat and to work to earn their keep.

How are Fort Worth Catholics coming along on removing the Fort Worth pervert priest imported from Rhode Island by your bishop to run the diocesan Boy Scout program?

Antoninus: This will also serve as an answer to your ping. While I think that everyone (save priests as noted above) should cooperate fully with the exposure before press and media and removal from the priesthood of those demonstrated to be practicing perverts and, under the old John XXIII document of 1961, the removal from the priesthood of those with such disordered inclinations even if non-practicing, Fr, Groeschel has earned the right to the benefit of the doubt as to his handling of such situations.

92 posted on 03/03/2003 8:19:27 AM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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