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I said 50 year or so, and you've provided example of about the past 50 years or so. I don't recall which Pope changed Catholic policy. It was sometime between the 1930's-1950's, and more like the latter, I believe. It may have been Pius XII, but I think it was John. I seem to recall tha Pius stopped short of endorsing natural birth control.

Regardless, it is clear the the rhythm system is contrary to Augustine's message, and Augustine is a foundation of all of the Christian Church (because he lived prior to the Protestant separation), but particularly Catholic.

This idea must hold that any sexual relations of any kind are wrong when no child is desired. Religion teaches to love others, but not to have sex with others. A person need not have sex with his wife to love his wife.

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This idea must hold that any sexual relations of any kind are wrong when no child is desired.

What if the relations are held when no child is POSSIBLE--e.g., while the wife is pregnant, or the couple is infertile for other reasons?

You still haven't answered that question.

Further, it strikes me that after you read the Jansenist goodies, you will realize that you ARE a Jansenist if you continue to hold that "desire for a child" MUST be a pre-condition of sexual relations.

In other words, you are a heretic.

Don't preach this stuff in the name of the Roman Catholic Church, please.