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To: Siobhan; american colleen; sinkspur; livius; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; narses; ...
For your discussion.
2 posted on 03/12/2003 8:42:17 AM PST by NYer (Kyrie Eleison)
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Thanks for this excellent post.
4 posted on 03/12/2003 9:07:32 AM PST by Barnacle (A human shield against the onslaught of Liberal tripe.)
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I would not encourage the schismatic path. However, it might have helped if Mr. Brown, who on occasion has promoted unauthorized Marian messages, had noted that "obedience" to the Novus Ordo bishop not infrequently involves Catholics in equally if not more bizarre irregularities. Mahony, for instance, involves the Catholic laity in his care in dumping tens of millions into the quagmire of a monstrously neo-modernist cathedral. When Weakland still roamed the land, he presided over monstrous wreckovation. And then there are the sodomite rape scandals. The oversimplified version of disobedient, wacky "traditionalists" countered by the pristine and sanitized CUF interpretation of Vatican II does not do justice the absurdities which followed the postconciliar apocalypse of the 1960s. Merely following your local bishop in "obedience" does not necessarily result in a happy orthodox situation at the nearby parish. It hasn't in our diocese in about 35 years. (I'm not a member of any "traditionalist" organizations, but I can understand why some Catholics would get fed up enough with the nonsense out there authorized by the official Church in "the spirit of Vatican II.")

To get the Latin Mass and orthodox Catholicism, one need not take the schismatic path, but you may have to look very hard. No one could guarantee that were Mel Gibson a non-traditionalist following the neo-modernist "renewal" of Vatican II in sheepish obedience, that periodically he would not encounter bizarre and strange divergences from orthodoxy all under the watch of the local bishop appointed and authorized by Rome and "the spirit of Vatican II." Indeed, dare we say it, Mr. Gibson's children could have been raped by their Vatican II priest and the local bishop and his staff might very well have shielded the rapist!!! It is entirely understandable why some Catholics have chosen other options for their spiritual lives. Again, I don't support schismatic organizations or movements who theorize about anti-popes, but the problems in the official Church fuel and energize such schismatically traditionalist styles. The irregularities of the Mahony and Weakland types deserve more attention than Mr. Gibson. Schism doesn't materialize out of thin air.

27 posted on 03/12/2003 1:35:04 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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