Posted on 08/30/2003 10:58:53 AM PDT by Loyalist
Directed to Sinky.
That's perhaps not a lie, because it is an interrogatory.
Sink and I have some differences which are serious; but both of us are past the time when a Hula Mass MAY have been entertaining--and both of us are quite well-prepared to denounce one of these for what it is: pandering, no matter what the attraction may be.
You're over the top.
Further, the Mass. Attorney-General is a politician (in case you didn't know.) Those 1,000 cases are spread out over 60 YEARS--and most of them are allegations which will NEVER be proven.
I am sure that with your sense of justice as finely tuned as it is, you do understand the difference between allegation and conviction--right?
And, if it's not too fine a point, politicians such as Attorney Generals are all too happy to exaggerate the vices of their targets to assure themselves a re-election.
These are sad times for the Church, but the world has not ended--and even if it did, it's YOUR soul you can worry about--not mine, nor Sinky's nor Rembert Weakland's.
This is one where the more liberal among Catholics have earned credit. It tends to be the more conservative Catholics who want, often, to abolish the Novus Ordo with all the unnecessary pain that would entail for those devoted to the NO, pain that would echo the intense pain suffered by their Tridentine predecessors in the 1960s.
Each Mass is valid. Neither Mass should ever be said in such a way as to fail in reverence. Each should be said according to its own reverent rubrics. Finally, it is a bad idea for Tridentine Catholics to ghettoize themselves self-indulging in all the bells, smells and whistles and caring less about what happens in the rest of the Church. I dare say it would be a good idea for Novus Ordo Catholics to atend an occasional Tridentine Mass. In this way abuses may be restrained on each side and better relations may be fostered among all Catholics.
Interesting. I didn't know that.
That sounds a lot like constant pot-stirring for the sake of pot-stirring. It is completely antithetical to a Catholic mindset, in which we teach and live the "Faith handed on to us from the Apostoles".
Yes, within 10 years of the conclusion of VatII, Paul VI signed off on "complete vernacular."
Your pastor (multiplied by thousands) is exactly why Rome will initiate and enforce the 'reform of the reform.'
I live in the Boston area and follow this scandal closely, (what choice do I have?); and I haven't heard of many acquittals, mostly convictions, incarcerations, and resignations in disgrace. But as we know, this scandal plagues the entire nation. I've lost track of how many Cardinals, like the powerful Rembert Weakland, have admitted to homosexual affairs and have resigned in humiliation. Or who like Cardinal Law, resigned in disgrace due to his coverups.
I'm not going to hide in denial and make believe it's not what it is, that doesn't work. I'll leave that to you.
"The priests, ministers of my Son, the priests, by their wicked lives, by their irreverence and their impiety in the celebration of the holy mysteries, by their love of money, their love of honors and pleasures, the priests have become cesspools of impurity. Yes, the priests are asking vengeance, and vengeance is hanging over their heads."
"Everywhere there will be extraordinary wonders, as true faith has faded and false light brightens the people. Woe to the Princes of the Church who think only of piling riches to protect their authority and dominate with pride".
"The Vicar of my Son will suffer a great deal because for awhile the Church will yeild to large persecution, a time of darkness and the Church will witness a frightfull crisis".
In the year 1864, Lucifer together with a large number of demons will be loosed from hell, and they will put an end to faith little by little, even in those dedicted to God. They will blind them in such a way, that unless they are blessed with a special grace, these people will take on the spirit of these angels of hell; several religious institutions will lose all faith and will lose many souls".
"Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the antichrist". (note the prophesy says "Rome", and not the Holy Father. This could mean the people, or the Vatican, but not necessarily the Pope).
The Church gave official approval to these messages and secrets of La Sallette. The above statements were published in 1879 by the visionary Melanie Calvet with the Imprimatur of Bishop Zola of Lecce.
There are some, who fearing the accuracy of Mary's dire prophesies of La Sallette, try to diminish the authority of the messages by claiming that the visionary, Melanie Calvet, was "neurotic". This in spite of the fact that Heaven chose her to be the visionary for Mary's warnings, and that the prophesies have come true, including the prediction that Pius IX would be forced to leave Rome by Napoleon III.
Attorney General O'Reilly may have been politiczing the length and depth somewhat, but we certainly know that hundreds of children from Boston have gotten convictions or civil awards against predatory priests. O'Reilly is also a Roman Catholic, and probably feels as scandalized and thoroughly disgusted with this horrific chain of events as I do. But again, here you attempt to focus the issue on accuracy of numbers of this massive molestation scandal, which is a diversionary tactic from the real issue. The real issue is that the Church has wandered far astray from tradition and piety, and this is how and why the sex abuse occurred on such a large scale, and moverover, this is why it was covered up for so long and never dealt with from within. The new-age Church mindset is selfish, man-centered and irreverent. There simply was no one around with enough spiritual strength or the orthodox Christian mentality needed to put an end to homosexual priests abusing children.
Even in the midst of this ghastly scandal, we have Novus Ordo priests demanding the right to marry, thumbing their noses at the Holy Father's definitive statements on the matter. We have Bishop Pilla of Cleveland hosting a gay "ministry" website, replete with the homosexual rainbow stripes and pink triangles.
http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/index.html
And just so you know, I take no delight in speaking about this stuff, I love the Catholic Church and it's heartbreaking to see what is taking place from within. Not only with this abuse issue, but with the abuse of the Liturgy and the ditching of sacred Traditions. It all ties in together. You can defend this stuff all you like, and you can live in it too. I'm not going to defend it, accept it, or stick my head in the sand over it like so many are doing as a means to cope. No real "reform" is needed, just a return to orthodoxy and to the true Catholic faith.
The Church gave official approval to these messages and secrets of La Sallette. The above statements were published in 1879 by the visionary Melanie Calvet with the Imprimatur of Bishop Zola of Lecce.
As you rpobably do not know, this so-called Secret, source of the infamous "Rome will lose the faith" quote is not approved, but is condemned, dissemination of it is condemned, and all books discussing it are also condemned, being placed on the Index of Prohibited Books. In addition, the so-called "Secret of La Salette" is also condemned and placed on the Index of Prohibited Books. That decree follows:
pp.287/8 The Most Holy Congregation of the Holy OfficeACTS OF THE MOST HOLY CONGREGATION OF THE HOLY OFFICE THE MOST HOLY CONGREGATION OF THE HOLY OFFICE
THE LITTLE WORK IS CONDEMNED: "THE APPARITION OF THE VERY HOLY VIRGIN OF LA SALETTE"
DECREE
Wednesday, 9th May 1923In a General Session of the Supreme Holy Congregation of the Holy Office, eminent and reverend Lord Cardinals appointed for protecting the faith and morals, proscribed and condemned the little work The Apparition of the Most Holy Virgin on the holy mountain of La Salette, Saturday 19 September 1845. - Simple Reprinting of the entire public text by Mélanie, etc. Society Saint-Augustine, Paris-Rome-Bruges, 1922; ordering those to whom it looks to take care to withdraw examples of the condemned book from the hands of the faithful.
And the same holiday and day of the Most Holy Lord. N. D. by the foresight of divine providence Pope Pius XI, in the customary audience of R. P. D. Assessor of the Holy Office has commissioned the report himself and approved the resolution.
Given at Rome from the Holy Office on 10th May, 1923.
Aloisius Castellanus, S. R. and U. Notary.
Other condemned "Secret of LaSalette" works on the Index:
Apparition (L') de la Très Sainte Vierge de la Salette. Decr. 9 maii 1923.
Salette (La). L'apparition de la Très Sainte Vierge. Decr. 9 maii 1923.
For the good of your soul, please stop spreading this false and sinful so-called prophecy. As information, the 1915 decree of the Holy Office prohibiting all discussion of the so-called Secret I quote below is still in effect. You will note that by it you are simply interdicted from any lawful approach to the Sacraments for having broached this garbage in a public forum. I urge you to confession.
The condemnation of the Holy Office follows:
Page 594 Acts of the Apostolic See - Official BriefTHE SUPREME SACRED CONGREGATION OF THE HOLY OFFICE GIVES A DECREE CONCERNING THE COMMONLY CALLED "SECRET OF LA SALETTE."
It has come to the attention of this Supreme Congregation that certain ones are not lacking, even from among the ecclesiastic assemblage who, responses and decisions of this Holy Congregation itself having been disregarded, do proceed to discuss and examine through books, small works and articles edited in periodicals, whether signed or without a name, concerning the so-called Secret of La Salette, its diverse forms and its relevance to present and future times; and, this not only without permission of the Ordinaries, but, also against their ban.
So that these abuses which oppose true piety and greatly wound ecclesiastical authority might be curbed, the same Sacred Congregation orders all the faithful of any region not to discuss or investigate under any pretext, neither through books, or little works or articles, whether signed or unsigned, or in any other way of any kind, about the mentioned subject. Whoever, indeed, violates this precept of the Holy Office, if they are priests, are deprived of all dignity and suspended by the local ordinary from hearing sacramental confessions and from offering Mass: and, if they are lay people, they are not permitted to the sacraments until they repent.
Moreover, let people be subject to the sanctions given both by Pope Leo XIII through the Constitution of the offices and responsibilities against those who publish books dealing with religious things without legitimate permission of superiors and by Urban VIII through the decree "Sanctissimus Dominus Noster" given on 13th March 1625 against those who publish asserted revelations without the permission of ordinaries. However, this decree does not forbid devotion towards the Blessed Virgin under the title of Reconciliatrix commonly of La Salette.
Given at Rome on 21st December, 1915.
Aloisius Castellano, S. R. and U. I. Notary.
They're out there!
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