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To: Catholicguy
St. Cyprian, Letter to a certain Magnus, 255 A.D.

The Church is one; and it is not possible to be both within and without what is one. If the Church is around Novatian, it is not around Cornelius. And indeed, if it was around Cornelius, who suceeded Bishop Fabian by a legitimate ordination and whom the Lord glorified with martyrdom even beyond the honor of the priesthood, then Novatian is not in the Church, nor can he be reckoned as a bishop, since, in contempt of evangelic and apostolic tradition, he suceeded to no one but sprang up of himself. He that was not ordained in the Church can neither have nor hold the Church in any way.

16 posted on 09/25/2003 7:10:10 AM PDT by Catholicguy (Narses to CG: "Your wit, your knowledge and your personal experiences can be of real value here.")
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To: Catholicguy
St. Irenaeus, Agaijnst Heresies, 180/199 A.D.

A truly spiritual disciple shall judge those who make a schism and are destitute of the love of God, who look to their own advantage rather than to the unity of the Church, who for any kind of trifling reason cut apart and divide the great and glorious body of Christ, and destroy it insofar as they are able - men who talk of peace while making war.

17 posted on 09/25/2003 7:19:21 AM PDT by Catholicguy (Narses to CG: "Your wit, your knowledge and your personal experiences can be of real value here.")
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