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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I’m always seeing ‘the Birchers’ catching flak, why? What is it with the Birch Society that has everyone up in arms? I’ve seen this so many times but never asked.


3 posted on 07/20/2007 4:32:10 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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I’m always seeing ‘the Birchers’ catching flak, why? What is it with the Birch Society that has everyone up in arms? I’ve seen this so many times but never asked.

I'm with you. What little I know is that they were opposed to 1960's civil rights legislation that got them branded as racists.

21 posted on 07/20/2007 4:49:47 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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Birchers are the proto-typical conspiracy theorists. Although they were ardent anti-Communists, they tended to believe in things like The Protocals and to sympathize with fascism. A Bircher might tell you, "Well, maybe Hitler wasn't so bad, afterall?" Also, they were radical isolationists, thus, the pro-Axis Charles Lindberg is a Birchite icon.
26 posted on 07/20/2007 4:54:51 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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"The John Birch Society believes that cabals and conspiracies throughout the world have significantly shaped history, and it seeks to expose and eliminate their claimed control in government in the modern era."
29 posted on 07/20/2007 4:59:09 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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When I went to college I was bitterly disappointed in the classes that I was channeled into. Always a voracious reader, the materials presented were sometimes interesting but always, well, plebeian. It seemed that, standing at the peak of 5,000 years of the development of western civilization, there would be something more ... something more substantial, something more timeless, something beyond the mundane material that was new to my classmates but elementary to me. At night I would go the library and read until they kicked me out. Somewhere in those enormous banks of books was the education that I come to find.

Each night I would choose a different stack and select the toughest, most intimidating and most opaque tomes I could find and read until my mind reeled. Even if they were beyond my ken, at least I understood that the ideas were there and that men, now the dust of the ages, had thought and pondered and written on ideas now nascent in my mind.

One evening I came across a container full of a little periodical called American Opinion , from the John Birch Society, mostly unread and gathering dust. I recognized the name and, mostly for s#its and giggles, I thumbed through a few copies. There were, as I expected, the most preposterous of conspiracy theories. But there was something else. Usually toward the back and written in the turgid prose reserved for those seeking to express ideas both profound and precise was a description of the education that I was not getting and a bemoanal of its demise. Here was brilliance, here was intelligence, here was the flickering flame of a civilization in decline.

The problem became how to reconcile the two, the brilliance running on a parallel track but separate from the world and the base fear of forces, ominous and conspiratorial, lurking in the darkness beyond. They were right in lamenting the loss of Classical Thought and the decoupling of our social strictures from the forces driving them for millennia. I think that they were wrong and giving too much credence to the power of conspirators and the sympathetic mutuality of their goals. The lesson I took was that good intentioned men can be brilliant, educated and wrong. Were they wrong or was I? Even in my dotage I recall the cautionary words of novelist Taylor Caldwell when she was asked how on earth she could possibly believe in such conspiratorial rot. Her retort: “How can you not.”

147 posted on 07/20/2007 7:35:23 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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Read the little tracts "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" and "None Dare Call it Treason" for a quick overview of who they are. I read the latter at about 11 years old (some clown gave the book to my dad and it was a rainy Saturday). I dubbed it "None dare call it Reason." Full of innuendo, winks, nods and not so subtle hints about the communist conspiracy (it is EVERYWHERE!).

It is like reading a Donald Wildmon publication, or a really stemwinding article by Joseph Farah.

Short on substance, but sure to stir up the heavy breathers.

208 posted on 07/21/2007 3:54:19 AM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Americans used to roar like lions for liberty. Now they bleat like sheep for security)
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“I’m always seeing ‘the Birchers’ catching flak, why? What is it with the Birch Society that has everyone up in arms? I’ve seen this so many times but never asked.”

I’m no expert on the JBS. I can read Marx anytime and be considered an “intellectual”. If I read the JBS, it might come back to haunt me. Still, I think I’ve seen some of their literature. My take is that they rightly saw that some things were wrong. An example would be our liberal MSM misleading people before the advent of alternative voices like Rush and FreeRepublic. Give them credit, some things are wrong. Other people had no clue.

But then they would try to make sense out of it and take some wrong turns. It’s not all about communism, or about the Federal Reserve system, or about Jews in control.

Here’s an an alternative approach. There are intellectual ideas (forces) that swirl around the world even as individual nations, and individual people address particular issues at particular times and places. One intellectual idea is embodied in the American revolution. This was actually an Evolution. Much of the best was retained and improved as we moved civilization forward. A competing idea is embodied in the French revolution. This was truly a revolution as all of the old order was rejected. They rejected monarchism, rejected religion, rejected tradition. All was swept away in favor of superficial, ad hoc “reason” acceptable to the mob.

Today’s American conservatives are intellectual heirs to the American revolution. Today’s American liberals have been Europeanized and are intellectual heirs to Marx and Engels who greatly admired the French revolution.

234 posted on 07/21/2007 6:02:54 AM PDT by ChessExpert (Reagan dismantled the Russian communist empire despite the Democratic Party)
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What is it with the Birch Society that has everyone up in arms?

Because they are insane conspiracy theorists. Out of curiosity, I attended a Birch conference a few years ago. It was filled with official Birch literature claiming insane things -- like arguing that the Soviet Union just "pretended" to collapse so that the US would let its guard down and be easy to conquer in a communist uprising.

443 posted on 07/21/2007 7:11:17 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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"I’m always seeing ‘the Birchers’ catching flak, why? What is it with the Birch Society that has everyone up in arms? I’ve seen this so many times but never asked."

Members of The John Birch Society are not necessarily beholden to the Republican Party, and often criticize unconstitutional activities perpetrated by the POTUS and Members of Congress, regardless of party.

Obviously that will generate much bile coming from the party faithful.

599 posted on 07/23/2007 6:29:21 AM PDT by Designer (JBS Member)
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