[George W. Bush]

Dictators and mullahs in the middle east use proxies to attack the USA and western countries.

Just as al-Qaeda uses our presence on the holy land of Saudi Arabia to recruit Saudis and North Africans to travel via Damascus to kill our soldiers and slaughter the Iraqis.

Apparently, when the Muslims grovel five times a day to their black meteorite in Mecca, they don't like to think of our military in close proximity. Especially an American military with women not in burqas and with actual Jews in our military present on Saudi territory.

This is why we had to withdraw from our Saudi bases for months prior to the invasion. Our presence was helping terrorist recruiting.

And the Wahabbists of Saudi Arabia are not our friends. That is why 16 of 19 of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi, just as Osama is. And the Saudis are still funding terrorism.

Whether you accept Ron Paul's (and the CIA's and the 9/11 Study Group and the 9/11 Commision's) conclusions on these matters, you should at least consider the merits of the argument.

Foreign military presence in the Mideast helps the radical imams recruit followers and declare jihad. This has been a constant in any military presence in the Mideast (American, British, French, etc.). It is especially provocative for our troops to be near their shrines in any of the Arab countries but especially in Saudi Arabia, the homeland of their barbaric moon-god cult.

[federal]

So we shouldn’t fight them in Iraq? Is that your answer?

Look I don’t trust or absolve the Saudi’s anymore than anyone else, That is why I think the middle east has to be reformed and I agree with the opinion that Iraq is the place to start.

[Dr.Deth]

I'm tired of trying to figure out "Why do they hate us," like the WashDotComPost was asking yesterday. I really don't care anymore about that.

What I'm asking these days is: "Why don't they fear us?"

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

Just as al-Qaeda uses our presence on the holy land of Saudi Arabia to recruit Saudis and North Africans to travel via Damascus to kill our soldiers and slaughter the Iraqis.

So, what you are basically saying is that US foreign policy should be dictated, not by our own national interests, but by the whims and desires of Islamist thugs?

I vote for the Thomas Jefferson approach instead: Take the war to theIslamists, use whatever force is necessary to achieve victory, and then come home.

[BlackElk]

Simple solution: drown the black meteorite in pig blood. When the Islamonutcases mass their troops in response, nuke them too!

Draw a border around our Kurdish allies' territory in Iraq in pig blood as well. It will keep both other factions of Iraqis and Al Qaeda out. If the Islamoloonies have other taboos, use them too until we get to eliminate the Islamofascist enemy altogether. Medina? The Dome of the Rock? Any and all.

You do make one good point (stopped clock...twice a day) that the Saudis are still funding Wahabi terrorists (to keep the royals of Ibn Saud's family in power) so let's take over Saudi Arabia before the real nutcases of Wahabi and Al Qaeda and paleoPaulie's other love objects do.

If you, in the cause of paleoPaulie, want to cite the CIA, the 9/11 Commission and the 9/11 Study Group or other blue ribbon, establishment elitists of the internationalist (not isolationist and certainly not interventionist persuasion) as sources of truth, perhaps the facade of paleoPaulie and his little gang being conservative at all ought to be dropped altogether. Do you know who John Flynn was? He would not have cited such sources. Nor would Colonel MacCormack. Nor would Charles Lindbergh. You are living proof that the paleos are really nothing more than rootless phony"cons."

[Round 9]

This former militant seems to disagree...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465570

[rmlew]

The choice is occupying Mesopatamia or having them march on Vienna. You cannot ignore history before 1700.