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I see a trend here suggesting two kinds of Republicans here. The modern, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity kind of GOPer I cannot abide. The name calling of conservatives who love our troops but oppose the war, who use the term “isolationist” when it isn’t at all accurate, it all smacks of liberal Democrats enraged but unable to defend their position. Nothing is uglier.

Wilson maneuvered us into WWI. Roosevelt maneuvered us into WWII, right or wrong. Bush maneuvered us into Iraq I. Bush II maneuvered us into Iraq II. Anything else is brainwashing and propaganda. Limbaugh is good, but wrong. Hannity is a know-it-all and even wrong on the facts. Michael Savage, however, swerves into the truth much of the time, if you can stand the swings between ranting and despair and resignation.

Odd as it may seem, it’s not my attempt to demonize any of them. Each of them felt it was right and proper to do so given the mindset they all develop after ascending the political or popular media ladder. It’s distorted and embraces the immoral “the end justifies the means” and becomes insular from, among other things, the tragedy of a dying man on the battlefield yearning for his mother’s company in his dying moments. Democrats claim a sensitivity to yearning to see such killing end but peace is the proper preserve of a true conservative. Witness Reagan’s finest hour as the Iron Curtain fell.

The demons are here in these forums where parrots live, men who can manage no better than to mock. That’s not conservative, nor close. They don’t deserve to wear the Republican mantle.

As a former Young Republican (I’m old now) I watched these candidates, Bush and all (and later, talk jocks) come into their own as politicians and it is all a tragedy of major scope. A friend, a former state campaign manager for Jack Kemp, watched Nancy Reagan break down weeping when Bush I was named Reagan’s running mate.

Nancy “got” it and President Ron remained typically sanguine. America and the GOP has tilted ever-leftward ever since. It’s lunatic fringe isn’t Ron Paul. It’s Giuliani, Bush and company. Wake up.

Interesting.

I don’t recall Bush being too popular these days with conservatives and Rudy certainly isn’t supported by this forum.

Exactly what are we to wake up to?

Oh, right, we should drop our support for the war and support a conspiracy theorist. Yet we can’t do so because we’ve climbed too high in the power structure to see clearly. I’d love to know where the cloakroom is, because I seem to have missed that invitation to power. Along with its admitted perks of fame and fortune.

I must also have missed how a self admtted libertarian that disagrees with the majority of the GOP party from leadership to base on the war is the “true” Republican. But, you know what? If you wish paul to be th shining example of what a Republican should be that is okay. I don’t much like Republicans these days anyway. Whether you use mccain’s face or paul’s face to symbolize the party, I want nothing to do with either. I’d rather stick with the conservatives such as Sessions and deMint instead.

“Wilson maneuvered us into WWI. Roosevelt maneuvered us into WWII, right or wrong. Bush maneuvered us into Iraq I. Bush II maneuvered us into Iraq II. Anything else is brainwashing and propaganda.”

So the Zimmerman telegram, pearl harbor, the invasion of Kuwait, and the defiance of 17 UN resolutions were all made up?!? ... amazing what you learn on the internet. :-)

The Bush’s aren’t warmongers and its a DU-like position, ignorant of history, to accuse them thus. Neither was Ronald Reagan, but GWB and Reagan were often called the same names, for the same reason - they got caught fighting an evil worth fighting.

whether it is fighting communism or fighting the GWOT, the same dynamic is at play: Anti-americans and muddle-headed sheeple who fall for their faked-up pseudo-pacifism throw phony claims and charges at the leaders who are making the difficult, dangerous decisions about how to fight the evil of the day.

“Democrats claim a sensitivity to yearning to see such killing end but peace is the proper preserve of a true conservative. Witness Reagan’s finest hour as the Iron Curtain fell.”

RFLMAO ... if you are going to call other people wrong, at least get some semblance of credibility to your own claims.

You have major blinders on.

Ron gave arms to Afghans, contras and other anti-communist forces. Without our peace-through-strength policy and Ron’s ‘warmongering’ and ‘interventionist’ policies, we would still be facing a nuclear USSR.

The lesson of Reagan? PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH.

Peace is not the highest end. Human freedom and security is. Our freedom and secuirty is enhanced if we can maintain peace, but we have always been forced from time to time to defend freedom and security against enemies who threaten us on both counts.

“It’s distorted and embraces the immoral “the end justifies the means” and becomes insular from, among other things, the tragedy of a dying man on the battlefield yearning for his mother’s company in his dying moments.”
I heard today about Freedom concerts Hannity is putting on - wehre they are not only saluting the heros, waving the flag, etc., but giving the proceeds to families of fallen heroes. This is an insulting and ignorant comment. You know not what you say.

“A friend, a former state campaign manager for Jack Kemp, watched Nancy Reagan break down weeping when Bush I was named Reagan’s running mate.” Doh! She was friends with Laxalt is all. It’s not like she was a seer.

“no better than to mock.” Everything you say mocks our excellent leaders. What is your answer to how Bush should have behaved after 9/11? You think he shouldn’t have responded to the AQ attack on our soil via war? He should invade a country, topple a govt, and take out terrorists ...
What would YOU have done with Taliban/ Afghanistan?!?