Posted on 11/23/2008 8:43:25 AM PST by ovrtaxt
Madame Speaker, many Americans are hoping the new administration will solve the economic problems we face. That’s not likely to happen, because the economic advisors to the new President have no more understanding of how to get us out of this mess than previous administrations and Congresses understood how the crisis was brought about in the first place.
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I agree. I don’t like his foreign policy, but I’d put him in charge of domestic policy in a heartbeat.
No Sir, we at best got a “push” out of the UN Russia and China and France abstained, what if they had voted “no”?
By putting our Constitutional Powers up for UN review, we weaken the role of the Constitution in American solutions.
If it were in our interests to invade Iraq (and I firmly believe it was militarily, not so much politically) then the UN has no role, not even to rubber stamp such a decision.
You have it backward, as I stated, they are a tool.. We put UN resolutions and treaties up to Constitutional review, thus, why we take action even though the UN expressed disagreement. You said "what if Russia or China voted no".. that is a 'what if', so we really don't know 'what if' but by the fact that we used prior resolutions as part of the justification, I would bet it would not matter if they voted no on one because they voted yes on others... also, because UN resolutions where only part of the justification, offenses against laws of nations, but we also had non-UN arguments as well.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html
.. it is too bad that Paul doesn't consider that a real declaration of war, even though it has a 'war powers' statute that was approved by Congress. He is the Fred Phelps of the Constitution...
I’m more of a Friedmanist myself, but the Austrian school was spot on about this current mess: too much credit can cause big, big problems. We had an unhealthy excess of liquidity in the system from 2002 to 2006, and look at where that got us.
The problem is, Americans that actually know about economics are all working in the private sector, making money.
Government interference in the free interactions of people(the market) are always an attempt to cheat reality. Insane and childish. It’s a game of let’s pretend. Let’s pretend that everyone has earned and can afford a house. Let’s pretend that everyone is equally credit worthy. Let’s take money from some people and give it to others so we all can pretend that they are prosperous.
You can fool reality only for so long. Then it all comes crashing down. The bailout is one more attempt to pretend. CRASH!
People were made to be free. Freedom will not create a perfect world. Just the best possible world. Freedom is the solution to the human condition. Politicians tell you that if you give them power(that is, give up your power/freedom) they will fix all lifes problems for you. Which makes them either fools or power hungry liars.
You say that free markets aren’t sufficiently defined or tested in the real world. HUH! Free markets are a PERFECT representation of the real world. As a matter of fact markets are reality. Your statement is as lunatic as anything any Democrat has ever said. “Free markets” aren’t defined? What is it about “free” that you don’t get? No wander this country is in such trouble. Insanity.
Free market to an Austrian is an oxymoron. Markets are free. A “regulated market” is never a Market.
When regulated, government must interfere more and more to keep the “regulated market “ going. More intervention followed by more intervention breeds an eventual breakdown.
Keynes thesis of: In the Long Run we will be dead is “coming home to roost”
We are at the end of the long run and now are paying the piper. Failures of regulated markets are the proof of Austrian Economics.
Austrian theory was not a Utopian system (like socialism) where the economy rolls along unblemished by recession.
The least understood and most important reason we need a Market Economy (Austrian) is dealing with failure.
The economy needs to rid itself of failed parts just as the body needs to rid itself of wastes.
Socialism or intervention by any other name cannot part with its failures. Politics is as important if not more important than profit.
True Capitalisms crowning but unheralded achievement is knowing when to say stop. We are losing money; we must revamp, sell out or close. From these ashes other industries learn from the mistakes of those preceding it. Socialism subsidizes and tries to continue on with the existing system.
Our present economy is not a Market. Intervention is everywhere. The Regulators can no longer cope. Their answer: a new form of regulation.
To quote Richard Nixon, We are all Keynesians now
God help us all
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It's his tone. I can't get past his whining. If his ideas are so great he should be able to deliver them with a little more testosterone.
Its that he is all theory with no ability or leadership to practically implement solutions. As Phil Gramm said last year, he (Paul) can’t get any bills out of committee because they are so poorly written or lack any details as to how to implement his ideas, just a bunch of theory.
So to an Austrian, a free market is the same as an anarchist market, no rules whatsoever?
Go ahead and define a free market smart guy. Would it be regulated?
Jeez, even Adam Smith advocated regulation of markets.
For discussion purposes only - Keeping in mind that I’m no expert, let me ask you this -
Do you think it will be “pretty close” to a free market (at least for a while) after the economy collapses and we’re in another depression for years?
Trading and bartering makes a comeback!
Obviously, the author has been living isolated in a cave on Mars for the last several decades.
( Please be advised it has been a long time since I read Rothbard)
Though I am not a libertarian; Rothbard, a Austrian Economist who was very very libertarian espoused something like the following. The rules of the market are self enforced. If you lie cheat or steal no one will do business with you unless you put your product or money upfront. No good reputation -no business.
Libertarianism aside, rules of the game for the market are not complex or need to be socialistic. Enforce legal contracts : Penalize those who lie, cheat or steal and no one is to be externally harmed by their enforcement.
Respect the contract no matter what the size or power of the participants. Have a judicial system that enforces contracts and rights in the contract and not one that creates them.
The more intervention you allow, the more you need. The result is a Fettered Market no longer free no longer a market. Interference breeds interference.
Hayek is best on this, see a chapter in his Road To Serfdom, titled Why the Worst get On Top. The failure of intervention can also be explained by another book by Hayek, The Constitution Of Liberty. Here and in other books he argues that all knowledge like that exists in the Market can not be known and controlled by the few.
Interventionists argue that with computers and more perfect knowledge, intervention and control will work and work well.
Arrogance is bred by this belief.
Look at the crisis that exist today in the financial sector.
They thought they had obviated risk and overcome the laws of the Market with derivates and other financial instruments.
They not the Market failed.
We were at the end of History, we had the cure for recessions and that dreaded Depression. We put a man on the moon. Solving the Market was easy. Pass a few laws, add more when needed.
Eliminate risk by spreading it so far that none knew the risk of the paper they held and when all else fails change the rules and or bail them out.
Socialism will not allow failure to proceed.
It does not accept it for ideological or just political reasons.
Thus Marx is made to look right.
capitalism (yes a small c) has an inherent flaw. It will fail. Only socialism (interventionism) will work. A New World Order will result. And we all will be free of the fetters of the market.
Only later will we note how we are poorer for it.
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They are the tool...wow..
So our Commander in Chief, the leader of our military sends a agent to the UN for permission...and that is your view?
Reality is bitch, ignore it at your peril Sir, we went to the UN because we had to, not to make them our agents.
They had the power to vote “yea” or “nay”, our CINC should never put US Sovereignty to be subverted.
You dream Sir.
None will listen.
It is unimaginable that Congress could be so derelict in its duty.Like we didn’t know that
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