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To: rwfromkansas; Jerry_M; the_doc
Wow.....VERY insightful post. You make an excellent point. I have always WANTED a Christian nation in law, but only could support that if the people covenanted to that end. It would be wrong to force people to love God. However, you take this issue of force much further and make govt. out to be the enemy completely on this matter. You make a powerful argument.

Amen and amen!! I am, also, a strong an uncompromising advocate of Covenanted Communities, Friend RW. Some "Calvinists" try to "apologize" for Calvin's Republic of Geneva -- but not me. Frankly, I see almost nothing for which to "apologize". I will defend Calvin's Geneva to the wall, on every point, without reservation.

Why?

Because Calvin's Geneva was a Covenanted Community, just like Mosaic Israel. 20,000 Free Citizens unanimously acclaimed the Charter and Constitution of the Church and Government of Calvin's Geneva. I do not claim that every ordinance they instituted was "perfect", but I do know that it was unanimously covenanted, for better or for worse.

"Consent of the Governed means each and every one" -- old Libertarian axiom, and the teaching of Deuteronomy 27: 14-26. "ALL the men of Israel shall say...".

But let's be realistic here. John Calvin, the greatest Vessel of the Holy Spirit since the Apostles, was able AT BEST to secure the Unanimous Covenant of a mere 20,000 Christian Citizens.

Are you a greater man than John Calvin? Because I am NOT.

If we would follow in his foot-steps, if we would build Covenanted Communities on the Genevan Model, I am convinced that we must devolve the Powers of Government far lower than even "State Sovereignty". We are talking about County level Governance at this point.

Centralized Government is the ENEMY. If you truly desire Covenanted Communities, Federal Government must be opposed at nearly every level, and even State Government should be devolved to the Counties.

We are not Nationalists; we are not even Statists. We are home-schoolers and church-covenanters. We need Government to be as Limited and as Local as reasonably possible if we truly want to build a thousand little Genevas.

101 posted on 07/25/2002 9:47:10 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Fine thoughtful posts. Regards, TJ
140 posted on 07/26/2002 8:02:43 AM PDT by Protagoras
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