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Most all of my unit's helicopter pilots in Vietnam would sport handlebar mustaches, it was a pilot thingy, and it was a war zone.

I say NO to beards for 2 reasons.

1) They'll compromise MOPP (mission-oriented protective posture), ie.(How quick can you shave with gas on the way?)

2) IMHO, it'll make units look ragtag.

Any of you younger vets have another opinion?

1 posted on 09/07/2016 2:56:20 PM PDT by PROCON
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2 posted on 09/07/2016 2:56:44 PM PDT by PROCON ("Lock Her Up! Lock Her Up!")
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GI Joe approves.


3 posted on 09/07/2016 2:57:22 PM PDT by dfwgator
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4 posted on 09/07/2016 2:57:54 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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Servicemen had beards until WW1 when poison gas can into use as a weapon. Gas masks would not seal against the skin on a soldier’s face with a beard, so shaving became a matter of living or dying.


6 posted on 09/07/2016 3:00:50 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (The reason for Gun Control has always been Government's Fear of Rebellion.)
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For some reason it makes me think Muzzies are doing the petitioning.


7 posted on 09/07/2016 3:01:17 PM PDT by dforest
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And looks too muzzy to me. In fact, more jihadis will join if allowed to wear beards.


8 posted on 09/07/2016 3:01:46 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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Well, for 1, NO neckbeards then!

For 2, Why not trimmed goaties, longer sideburns and not-Hitler mustaches? I mean, completely bald—shaved heads, waxed bodies, plucked eyebrows— would look even more uniform, but sometimes one wants to actually be not unattractive to women.


9 posted on 09/07/2016 3:01:50 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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the writers of the petition call for the return of the long-gone tradition of tasteful facial hair on service members, citing a boost in morale.

If you need facial hair for morale you are an insufferable whiner. What the hell has happened to the men in this country?

11 posted on 09/07/2016 3:03:03 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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IMO the soldiers who are petitioning for beards are muslimes
13 posted on 09/07/2016 3:05:03 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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Is this cover for the Jihadis burrowing into the US military?


15 posted on 09/07/2016 3:06:23 PM PDT by Truth29
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In the Navy there used to be a tradition allowing Chief Petty Officers, Warrant Officers and more senior (usually LCDR and up) to wear a tastefully trimmed beard. But yeah in a chemical warfare attack that won’t do. On the other hand the odds of a surprise attack with poison gas are so low, I might OK with allowing beards for servicemen not stationed in combat zones. I think the Brits still allow it.


16 posted on 09/07/2016 3:06:50 PM PDT by NRx (A man of integrity passes his father's civilization to his son, without selling it off to strangers.)
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On the subject of a chemical environment...the beard isn’t just an issue, in the actual event of a chemical environment. That’s not the only time a mask is used. It was used often in training, to make sure we could function in full MOPP gear. Part of the tank gunnery was done with masks on, I’ve roadmarched with mask on, even played volleyball with it on. So that puts me in the ‘no’ to beard column.

I also see a sanitation issue - again in just training as much as actual combat. We would get funky filthy, and go up to three weeks without a shower in training. I couldn’t imagine what kind of food would fester in a beard when you go that long without bathing.


18 posted on 09/07/2016 3:09:19 PM PDT by lacrew
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I think they should be allowed to have beards. After all their CIC has a beard...

-———rimshot———


19 posted on 09/07/2016 3:10:05 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Hillary Clinton, the elderly woman's version of "I dindu nuffins.")
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My GI Joe with his Kung fu grip had a beard.

I am not sure I would want to be in a chemical weapon attack with a beard.


21 posted on 09/07/2016 3:11:11 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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Yeah, Ulysses Grant and Robert E. Lee sure look like hell in the old civil war pictures. Wish they had shaved.


24 posted on 09/07/2016 3:13:02 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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If not operating near a chemical risk, the "no beard" rule is stupid. Being clean faced like a little boy is not a natural state for a man.
26 posted on 09/07/2016 3:16:29 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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Of course feminists will demand the right for female soldiers to have beards too if this goes through.


27 posted on 09/07/2016 3:18:35 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (ui)
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There are other situations (e.g. fire fighting, smoke/overheat, hazmat, aircraft depressurization, submarine environments) besides bio/chem warfare environments where a well fitted breathing mask is essential.

I was always amazed at the number of times someone seemed to be “starting a beard” and showed up unshaven for work in the civilian world. More like too lazy or running late on getting to work that day.

NO to the military.


30 posted on 09/07/2016 3:24:19 PM PDT by Skybird
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My Dad, a WWII Lt j.g. officer and PBY pilot, had a higher-up leading his SW Pacific unit. Looking through old B&W movies, I saw that he had a beard.

PBY officer, said to be Navigator photo Fullscreen capture 412013 70058 AM-001_zpsvxc3tma5.jpg

33 posted on 09/07/2016 3:33:56 PM PDT by Does so (Vote for Hillary...Stay Home...==8-O)
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My opinion:

Beards are A-OK for a Navy sailor on sea duty or in a troglodyte job in the bowels of a Navy vessel. Naval officers may wear beards if they’re the XO of a ship, in which case the beard must be handsome and commodore-like, preferably blond. All submariners shall be allowed to grow beards by naval law.

The US Army can have beards if they’re in the super duper bitchin’ commando units like Special Forces and Delta or with CIA-SAD. Those guys can do whatever they want to or need to.

Air Force shall not have beards. But big gaudy handlebar mustaches with waxed tips for fighter pilots and combat rotary aviators as a sort of esprit du corps is permissible as long as the pilot is in a shit hot outfit. This goes for Army and Navy pilots too, but never for Marine pilots.

The US Marine Corps shall never have beards. Ever. I don’t care what the reason or deployment status is. Those NCOs entitled to a mustache shall not have them exceed the corners of their mouth. All the rest of you devils, I better see a fresh close shave on everybody by final formation at 1630 or liberty is cancelled for all y’all. Come to my doggone formation without a clean shave and SEE what happen to YOU. Everybody be accountable for every other Marine’s shave. Turn TO. Now, GIT’CHO bodies out of here a’fore I start slayin’.

In extremely rare special occasions, a US Marine officer may wear a handlebar mustache, but they better be at least colonel or CWO4 in rank, holding the Navy Cross or higher, and be an absolute untouchable badass that everyone regards as akin to a demigod who walks the Earth.


34 posted on 09/07/2016 3:38:38 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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