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One Christian's View Of This Disaster
09/15/01 | SM

Posted on 09/15/2001 10:50:33 PM PDT by spoosman

I posted this reply on 09/09/01 (follow the link to read what I said)

Today, I want to follow that post up.

Little did I know what was just about to happen. I want to make it clear that I am a born again Christian. As I recall, the precise date of my conversion was 5/5/1978 at approximately 1 AM. I say this because I think it is important for anyone who reads my posts to know where my loyalty lies -- First and forsmost to Jesus the Messiah, secondly to my family, and next to the country of which I and my family are a native, the United States of America.

I also want to make it crystal clear that my sole focus for sometime has been to discover who the most powerful enemies of America are. America has many enemies. I would like to list the two main ones.

1) The devil. Despite how screwed up America is, the devil hates the fact that the greatest nation in the history of the world is known as a Christian nation. To a Chirstian like myself, I realize that is only a label today, but it was not always so. Whatever the naysayers blab about, the fact is the influence of the Lord Jesus, the Son of God, the True Messiah, the King of Kings was substantially pervasive at the time of the founding of the nation. The devil hates Jesus, and by association all things Christian, even if it is reduced to a non-Christian thing with a label, like the United States. The book of Job tells us thet the Lord has the devil on a leash, and in order to do the Lord's bidding, the Lord will let out that leash. The bible also teaches us that when a nation turns from the Lord, the Lord will allow calamity to bring that people back to Him. One of the founders, George Mason I believe, said that a nation is not a person, and therefore cannot be subject to an eternal judgement. However, he did say that national sins against the Almighty God lead to national calamity.

I do not believe The Triune God makes the calamity happen to punish a nation. I do believe that the calamity is the product of a people who lead lives that are radically inconsistent with the Word of God. The resulting degeneracy weakens the moral strength of the people. As they become creatures of inordinate lusts, perverted hedonism, and other such character crushing pathologies, they lose focus, have no moral center, and disconnect from all things around them. They cannot have a Love of God. They only love self. They cannot have a love of family -- they have no family, they only love self. They cannot love country, because they only love self.

When a nation is so filled with such morally disintegrated, selfish individuals, with no love of anything, no loyalty to anything, that automatically translates into a grave, and exploitable by enemies weakness. The devil, who is the enemy of all things Christian, will want to thwart by any and all means any person anywhere from coming to a close, personal, saving relationship with Jesus the Messiah, Who alone has the power to save and forgive sins. Considering how it is on this dirt ball that the Lord cast the devil as vengence against the devils rebellion (that is what the Bible says) -- making the earth the prison of Satan, Satan's domain -- it does not take much of a stretch to see that the devil would go into a furious rage to see the Lord raise up a Christian nation, right under the devil's nose, and to make matters worse have that Christian nation rise to the status of the greatest nation on earth.

The only response from hell is to rob this nation of its wealth, and then physically destroy it. One of the surest ways to create a predicate for economic destruction is to allow a central fiat bank run and operated by evil people. The process can get strung out, but make no mistake, the day dawns when the effect of a central fiat bank cause will create that economic destruction. The physical destruction comes from demon possessed people, a different set of satanic ambassadors, who lurk about the fringes of this Christian nation, looking for a weakness to exploit. Of course there has to be a weakness to exploit first, and that would be using satanic influence in the Chirstian nation to do whatever it takes to destroy the moral center of the individuals who dwell in that nation known as the Christian nation. This demonic gameplan stretches all the way back to 1800 at least. Some would even call into question the source of money John Adams borrowed from Holland in the 1780's. But for the first 100 years of so, the nation was reasonably strong, the people had a strong moral center.

Things began to change as the doctrines of Darwin and Marx began to take root around the world in the mid 19th century. As the 'enlightened' elite gained influence, the Christian influence declined. Then we saw the nation's leadership transferred to central bankers in 1913. The elite at the time thought it was a good idea (for them) to have the power to dictate what happens in the world -- at least what the world was to them at the time, Europe and the United States.

The non Christian mob kept hammering away at America which then led to the bogus separation of church and state 1947 supreme court decision. From there the anti Christian crowd got the Supreme Court to bow to the paganization of America by outlawing prayer in the early 60's. Then they said a baby is tissue and got the Supreme Court to sanction what has been in America a holocaust of 40,000,000 human lives, with at least 1.5 million slaughtered each year. I am in a rage at the evil pieces of trash who caused the horrific loss of American lives recently, and I will be glad to volunteer to be a part of the force that tracks down the responsible parties to kill them, and kill off all the connected evil that nurtures such evil. But where is the outrage for the 40,000,000? If it were legal for middle eastern men to crash jets into tall buildings, wiping out 10,000 - 50,000 lives (or more) in the process, would we just shrug our shoulders and look the other way? Odds are we would not.

Just to ramp up to the current moment, we just saw the most immoral piece of trash occupy the White House for the last 8 years, a piece of garbage who is responsible for the security breach that led to this latest disaster. But that is another story. Maybe we should hunt down Bill and hilary and make them pay for their treason? The point is, the nation had become so suffocatingly addicted to immorality that they voted into office for two consecutive terms with eyes wide open one of their own -- a degenerate piece of immoral trash.

That is what happens when the people in a nation lose their moral center, and succumb to the pressures of the anti Christ. If we had HAD a strong Christian nation, there NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN Bill Clinton, and the odds are VERY HIGH no jumbo jets would have collided into the WTC. But we can be sure few won't pick up on THAT point.

As regards the number one enemy of America, the devil, you can rest assured that this dark enemy is coming to get America, and destroy America, and this enemy will use any and all means to accomplish it. The devil started hacking away at America from day 1, July 5th 1776. It takes time to destroy the greatest nation in the world, the Christian nation. Lots of things have to happen first. the devil has done a fine job of it. He has inspired the anti Christ mob from within, gave us a central fiat bank, run by people not known or disclosed to most who have the power to suck America dry and get all of its wealth, and has inspired psychopathic maniacs from the middle east, possessed by the devil, who sniffing out the vulnerability of the morally corrupted nation, will boldly strike like they just did, knowing full well that a weak nation cannot respond in strength.

2) The central 'bankers'. I have said about as much as I can say about these snakes. America should get rid of them today. It is high time to change the players. This isn't even about fiat vs gold. It is about pure evil, and the type of power these evil people have to do whatever the heck they want as long as they can profit.

Look at what just happened. But more importantly look at the context in which it happened. The markets just DAYS before this damnedable, horrible, nightmarish incident at the WTC and the Pentagon, as well as in PA, the markets ALL crossed over a very important line in the sand. This line was defended on the DOW (pull up a monthly chart and connect the dots) for nearly 30 months. The banking cartel has been desperately cutting rates, but there have been no takers. There was a FIERCE battle waged to keep the market from crossing that line. I should know, because I was in the thick of that battle. I did not know the face or name of my buying opponent, but I knew as much as I could know that they were wrong.

It is extremely difficult for me to discern who the buyers and sellers were. I am not completely certain. But I do know for sure that SOMEBODY was a HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE loser in the week prior to this terrible day. I am talking about some player who was out foxed by another titan, and they lost BILLIONS of dollars when the force behind the selling engineered the losers loss.

Maybe it is just a 'coincidence' that a jumbo jet would cut through the offices of THE LARGEST HOUSE in America, and one of the BIGGEST PLAYERS in the pits -- Morgan -- only a few days after the market collapsed through that line, and closed substantially below it, but I think the TIMING is too obvious that there is a LOT more going on here than just some demonically inspired religious fanaticism.

On one hand, since the chart painter IS the FRS, and since the chart painting has been saying SELL all year (at least all this year!), this would indicate that the central bank is behind the selling. I tend to favor that conclusion.

If there is a Bin Laden (who is a billionaire with money coursing through the veins of the FRS banking system) central bank connection, what could the motivation be to enlist Bin Laden, literally rolling out the red carpet for him to, without ANY HINT KNOWN BY NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIALS, hijack FOUR jumbo jets at the SAME TIME? Some people think it is just a 'mystery' how such a radical breech of national security could occur, but it is my understanding that it is no mystery at all if the people who have the real power in this world to make things happen WANT something like this to happen.

But why? If the central bank is on the ropes, and they are having a hard time getting people to borrow money from them, what better a thing to do but make something happen to start a war. The federal reserve now has $40 BILLION to sell the the US Govt because of this mess, and undoubtledly will be right there to finance Bin Laden, or any other warring faction. Business WAS bad for the FRS. NOW it is good.

But just because the FRS is going to be raking it in while it finances a global war that does not necessarily translate into the saving of the market. The central bank has been orchestrating a PHONEY attempt to COVER UP THE FACT that what they are really doing is SELLING. and working the market to go DOWN.

There MAY be buying in the market as the $40 Billion hits the street, but I do not think the central bank's purpose for getting Bin Laden on the phone was to SAVE the market. The PURPOSE of the central banks employment of Bin Laden was to #1) get some business going as the market declines, and #2) get cover for the market decline.

Even though I have been saying all along, long before this staged disaster, that the central bank was coming to take away the leased FRNs you have in your bank account, and that I have been saying that the effect of a fiat money system (which should be abolished) that booms like it had will bust badly, all of which argues that the central bank, next to the devil, is America's #1 enemy, now that, CONVENIENTLY (for the central bank -- tragically for the victims and their families), just at the time the DOW in particular was going to MELT through new yearly lows, AN UNPRECEDENTED HORROR takes place, the entire market SHUTS DOWN FOR FOUR SESSIONS, something that has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE, now all the pundits will say as the REASON for the market collapse is this darned war on terrorism, and all the uncertainty, etc.

Despite the fact that the BUST I kept talking about, was happening for the reasons I elucidated (a corrupted central banking scheme by evil men), depite the fact that I was right, and all that I said is coming to pass, the central banks have found a way to divert the attention from the TRUE criminal in this despicable act.

The market can melt to wherever now, and the FED would NEVER get the blame. "If it were not for that darned war the market would not have collapsed" The market was in the process of collapsing ANYWAY, the devil worshipping bankers just found a way to halt the process so they could cover their demonic butts, in order that next to little or no political pressure to get rid of the fed as the market and American economy collapses will get any traction.

This is a game of world power. Bin Laden is just a stooge the bankers took advantage of. When we look at who the true beneficiary is of this tragedy, and the massive amount of power they might likely have lost as a result of their corrupted scheme collapsed all around us, they will simply get to keep on rolling, and when it suits THEIR interests, will create ANOTHER disaster.

OPEN YOUR EYES AMERICA -- WE HAVE MUCH MORE TO WORRY ABOUT THAN A FEW MIDDLE EASTERN, MUSLIM FANATICS.

The only weapon America has against this deep level of diabolical treachery is for the Spirit of God to move across the land and resurrect dead hearts, fill lives to the full of the glory of the Spirit of God, and a true repentance from the abominations of beyond the pale immorality, the shedding of innocent blood, the rejection of the word of God (the Bible), the rejection of the True Messiah, Jesus, and the abandonment of the sound constitutional principles given to us by those great men who founded this nation.

The central bankers sit in their chateaus in Swizerland, London and Amsterdam unfazed by the devastation we just witnessed. It is just another way for the boyz to hold onto power. No true Christian nation would EVER tolerate such people. Again, this is NOT about fiat vs gold primarily. It is about the people behind the game. These people need to be eradicated from the world stage as well. But a true Christian nation would probably never again empower ANY private group of men to create and destroy money by fiat, because this is the main branch of the devil's root of the evil in the world.

Of course there is no conspiracy. No. It is just pure dumb luck that the central banks can now profit over the new war, while they get political cover for the collapse of the market. There'll be rallies. There'll be volatility, but the trend is DOWN for America. If we want the trend to go UP we need to repent of our sins, submit our lives to our best ability to the Lord Jesus, and we need to root out the most evil human agency -- the federal reserve central banking system.

YOU might believe in coincidences, but I do not.

May God have mercy on America, because I live here, and so do my kids.


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1 posted on 09/15/2001 10:50:33 PM PDT by spoosman
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2 posted on 09/15/2001 10:53:41 PM PDT by AntiTyrant
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To: spoosman
I have some tin foil. You must be out.
3 posted on 09/15/2001 10:57:17 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: spoosman
A spell checker and a Haldol-Atavan cocktail would do you wonders.
4 posted on 09/15/2001 10:59:25 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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To: spoosman
So... you blame Alan Greenspan? Do you think if we squeezed him, he would tell us where his lackey, Osama bin Laden, is right now?
5 posted on 09/15/2001 11:03:17 PM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: spoosman
I agree with this post 100% and I highly recommend the rest of you clowns cut the scoffing. That being said, I also believe at head of this household I am biblically commanded to protect my family with my AK-47s and police issue sniper rifle. And quit the laughing at things biblical in nature dirtbags.
6 posted on 09/15/2001 11:03:38 PM PDT by Hammerhead
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Thanks for saying a lot of true things - and please remember "what the chaff is, to the wheat."
7 posted on 09/15/2001 11:03:50 PM PDT by 185JHP
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To: Hammerhead
And quit the laughing at things biblical in nature dirtbags.

How can I not laugh at such a great bit? That's funny stuff. Crazy man.

8 posted on 09/15/2001 11:06:42 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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To: spoosman
A thoughtful, reasoned post.

Hence you must expect having a noose thrown around you by the war party, at least until a little more gray matter starts to reappear hereabouts. One would think that for all the rancor posted concerning the past eight years, that so many otherwise level-headed Freepers could be connned by media spin: to consider justifying what clearly is the "undertow" of Der Schlikmeister's legacy.
9 posted on 09/15/2001 11:24:45 PM PDT by karlamayne
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To: Hammerhead
They are so blind they can not see, so deaf you piece falls on those deaf ears, But, one day, every knee shall bow, every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Not a Lord, THE LORD. Be patient, Pray for the lost, Shake the dust off and move on Christian soldier. Thanks for the time invested in your thoughtful piece.
10 posted on 09/15/2001 11:29:40 PM PDT by Missiekins
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To: Jolly Rodgers
Greenspan is a lackey.

Just remember I was ahead of the game.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b47b8d82c72.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a53edb7242d.htm

I expected trouble, but I am outraged beyond comprehension at what the devils in Basel have orchestrated to pull it off.

BTW, show me your posts predicting the future correctly and timely, and then we can just laugh off what I am saying OK? This goes to all the scoffers. I am certain none of you have made such bold and timely predictions. It is just absolutley, stunningly horrible what the creeps have done to execute the plan. ALL the enemies of America should be taken down. We ought to vaporize the obvious ones, but it is the devils in the dark that hide behind a cloak of invulnerability, who do so successfully because too many people (like you, perhaps) do not want to look behind it, that are the even greater enemy, and are intimately connected to this tragedy. Bin Laden and middle eastern crazies should be killed as soon as possible, but they are two bit players in a much larger game of power going on out there.

11 posted on 09/15/2001 11:31:30 PM PDT by spoosman
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To: spoosman
I'm not interested in goofy divinations, palm reading or future telling. There's plenty of plain old reality staring us in the face to deal with.
12 posted on 09/15/2001 11:36:00 PM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: spoosman
I suspect those who attack capitalism, and the concepts of materialism and bankers, as being EVIL that we need to get rid of...

:- Looks to me like the terrorists did you and yours a great favor... pointed out how materialistic we are... and how just like you think, we as a nation have rejected the lord. I love Jesus. Religion however, taken to extremes drives folks insane. Something about trying to contemplate the infinite, drives some folks to do crazy things.

As far as the "evils of materialism" go. Look around ralphie, God made the whole thing out of material. Seems to me like the "material world" and its "substances" are pretty important to HIM.

America is the most God-fearing, religion tolerant, gospel promoting government on the face of the earth.. and we do it with all that evil money. That is why THEY hate us. WE promote the religious liberty that threatens them. Real religious liberty drives religious idealogues nuts. Even here in the USA.

I would NOT post any thing negative about the bankers this next week or two. Or criticise the central bank too vigorously. That is unless YOU want a visit from the FBI too?

13 posted on 09/15/2001 11:36:14 PM PDT by eccl1212
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To: karlamayne
I think by now I am a certified FR nut, which is OK. Every site has to have one.

This entire episode is very very sad. It is potentially apocalyptic. It is AMAZING to see how a few evil men can create a script and get millions to do exactly as expected. I am all for the vaporization of middle eastern whack jobs who kill for satan, which is their god. And I fully support a credible effort to kill all of them.

But I do NOT support following the central bank's script. THAT script means MY SONS fight a war THEY create for THEIR evil purposes. Considering this event happened right after a critical line on the charts was crossed AND BEFORE DOW MADE NEW LOWS tells me the CREEPS are behind the whole thing.

I think Bush is following the script. The complexity and depth of this evil is incomprehensible. I do not like the timing, I do not like the context. I SMELL A RAT.

14 posted on 09/15/2001 11:41:01 PM PDT by spoosman
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To: karlamayne
Exactly!
15 posted on 09/15/2001 11:41:07 PM PDT by Missiekins
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To: eccl1212
2) The central 'bankers'. I have said about as much as I can say about these snakes. America should get rid of them today. It is high time to change the players. This isn't even about fiat vs gold. It is about pure evil, and the type of power these evil people have to do whatever the heck they want as long as they can profit.

This is the dangerous comment you made, calling our bankers "evil"? I think it can be taken wrong. The "get rid of" thing is also a problem with me. You ought to consider retracting it fast. I don't think you need a visit from the FBI. Threatening the Central bank could get you in big trouble. Don't do it please. I think we need to NOT make threatening statements about our bankers this week.

16 posted on 09/15/2001 11:46:57 PM PDT by eccl1212
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To: Jolly Rodgers
I think the links I provided were anything but. Just hard, cold reality, analyzed by a brilliant mind, that reached the conclusion SELL. And I was right.

What did you say? Whose assets did you help protect? I saved people MILLIONS of dollars, dim wad. Now it is not just a game of money. Now the creeps want to stir the planet up into a global blood bath. Now I am not only trying to save people's assets, now it is their very lives on the line. This is serious business, my man. I think it would be wise to go deeper to the root before the blood of YOUR sons is shed in a central bankers script.

17 posted on 09/15/2001 11:46:58 PM PDT by spoosman
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It is very strange how people equate an attack on fiat central banking and its power hungry whores that run the show with an attack on capitalism!

Ayn Rand and I would get along pretty well. But she mistakenly thought that being a Christian was inconsistent with material prosperity. God gave us this wonderful world with all its vast natural resources to bless us with. But if our moral center collapses, the blessing fades away.

18 posted on 09/15/2001 11:51:57 PM PDT by spoosman
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I can't believe a lot of my conservative friends on here are anti-Semites, including Christians, who should know better; for you who are Christians, there is no excuse; the Bible is explicit about treatment of the Jews. As for you non-Christians who equate Christianity with "palm reading" and other absurdities, I hope you can laugh as loud on J-day; if you don't accept JC as savior before that day, you will regret it, to put it mildly. The Bible also says that spiritual things, like the ones I noted above, are "foolishness to those who are perishing" (unsaved, non-believers in JC). The Arabs/Muslims are our enemies right now, not Alan Greenspan (I still can't believe someone on this conservative website posted this crap, and a Christian at that; I'll pray for you honey; you may be saved, but are seriously in error, and to the Nth degree at that). It takes a low forehead to be anti-Jewish; to those of you stupid enough to believe in such garbage, why don't you join the Muslims? What diff is there between you and them? They are anti-Semites and hate Jews FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER, other than jealousy; sound familiar????
19 posted on 09/16/2001 12:02:59 AM PDT by Malcolm
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I'll be happy to debate religion on another day when our country is no longer at war. For now, suffice it to say that I am far more compelled by the threats posed by international terrorists than I am by threats of bullying in some conjectured afterlife.
20 posted on 09/16/2001 12:07:16 AM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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