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Towers collapsed 'because of cheap, poor construction'
The Sydney Morning Herald, Sydney, Australia ^ | Monday 24th September 2001 | Geesche Jacobsen

Posted on 09/24/2001 5:34:45 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie

Mr Seidler ... "It was all a question of costs, of course."

New York's World Trade Centre towers collapsed because they were cheap and poorly constructed, the Sydney architect Mr Harry Seidler says.

Other buildings, such as the Empire State Building, would have survived the impact, an Austrian newspaper, Kleine Zeitung, quotes him as saying.

The construction of the World Trade Centre was so poor it would not have been approved in most other countries, Mr Seidler said.

However, the New York Port Authority, which owned the site, was also responsible for granting the building approval, he said.

"It was all a question of costs, of course", he said.

The Kleine Zeitung reported last week that Mr Seidler inspected the site shortly before the World Trade Centre was completed.

"I was extremely surprised at the time that the construction was so delicate. It was the lightest I have ever seen."

Other concrete buildings would not have collapsed, he said. The World Trade Centre had been built as if it was made from cardboard. Its steel girders were only sprayed with asbestos and melted "like spaghetti" in the heat.

The lift shafts and staircases were clad with plaster, which explained the white plaster dust on the faces of survivors. And the floors were made of metal plates with only a thin layer of concrete, Mr Seidler said.

The Empire State Building, a steel design, would have withstood the impact because it was clad with concrete, he said.

Petronas Towers in Kuala Lumpur and Sears Tower in Chicago, two of the highest buildings in the world, also would have survived, Mr Seidler said.

"All of this would not have happened with a concrete construction. Impossible."

The Herald was unable to contact Mr Seidler yesterday.


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1 posted on 09/24/2001 5:34:45 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (byron_the_aussie@yahoo.com)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Monday morning quarterback AH. Tell you what, we'll crash a 767 from Air Woggie into his house, with him in his leiderhosen sitting on the top floor, and see what happens.
2 posted on 09/24/2001 5:39:08 AM PDT by MindBender26
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Monday morning quarterback AH. Tell you what, we'll crash a 767 from Air Woggie into his house, with him in his leiderhosen sitting on the top floor, and see what happens.

Plus, this AH doesn't know concrete dust when he seems it. Great engineer!

3 posted on 09/24/2001 5:40:08 AM PDT by MindBender26
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
It did seem odd that they collapsed so easily, and almost straight down, just like a controlled demolition.
4 posted on 09/24/2001 5:41:22 AM PDT by timestax
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To: MindBender26
Maybe.

And maybe the terrorists selected the WTC in preference to the Empire State building, for precisely the reasons Seidler mentions. I mean, let's not underestimate the carefulness of their planning again.

5 posted on 09/24/2001 5:41:35 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: timestax
That's what happens when jet fuel burning at 4500 degrees melts steel... The supports melt, cannot hold the weight and the top collapses, one floor into the next, all the way down. But then science isn't as exciting as a bad conspiracy theory, is it?
6 posted on 09/24/2001 5:45:25 AM PDT by grebu
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To: timestax
I don't know if anyone else saw this:

It was on a FOX interview program and the interviewee was the NYPD chaplain or whatever.

He was at the site when one building collapsed, and mentioned seeing an explosion or flames at about the 20th floor right before the collapse.

Could have been gas pipes exploding (if they had any) or it could have been some help put in by terrorists to assure colapse.

prambo

7 posted on 09/24/2001 5:47:07 AM PDT by prambo
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Its steel girders were only sprayed with asbestos and melted "like spaghetti" in the heat.

Not only this, but at the time of construction, asbestos was being banned in new construction. It is not clear whether the towers had asbestos and it was later removed and replaced with celulose or that it never had it on to begin with.

As far as other cost limiters, no stories have surfaced that construction guides were bypassed in the construction. Everything man can build can be destroyed with the right weapon placed in the right place.

8 posted on 09/24/2001 5:50:21 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
You could be correct. I wouldn't surprise me if they had actually looked into the construction plans of the WTC, trying to determine the materials used in the construction.
9 posted on 09/24/2001 5:50:31 AM PDT by TKEman
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
New York's World Trade Centre towers collapsed because they were cheap and poorly constructed

This guy is a idiot trying to get in the spotlight for a second of fame!

10 posted on 09/24/2001 5:53:08 AM PDT by jedi150
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To: timestax
I was surprised about the way it collapsed too! Almost like a controlled demolition.

Good news is that if it toppled over, which is the way I thought it happened initially, it would have killed many more people and cause much more damage.

11 posted on 09/24/2001 5:58:25 AM PDT by DrJasper
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
I'll bet the collapse of the towers was as much a surprize to the terrorists as it was to us. They intended the hit to cause a huge fire & the fire to be too high to fight. I don't think they had any idea they would fall down.
12 posted on 09/24/2001 5:59:13 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: KC_for_Freedom
..not only this, but at the time of construction, asbestos was being banned in new construction. It is not clear whether the towers had asbestos and it was later removed and replaced with celulose or that it never had it on to begin with...

Okay. I thought I had read there was an asbestos concern amongst the firefighters and rescue teams.

Seidler's known as a bit of a grandstander, who's liable to pop up in the media here with an opinion on just about anything. On the other hand, he's an expert in high rise construction, who was present during construction of the WTC towers. So there's no way his opinion can be dismissed.

13 posted on 09/24/2001 6:00:04 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
The building did pretty good when they tried to blast it from the basement.
15 posted on 09/24/2001 6:03:42 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: jedi150
..this guy is a idiot trying to get in the spotlight for a second of fame!...

Showpony, yes.

Idiot, no.

I know virtually nothing about construction but it does seem peculiar that two buildings can collapse to the ground in that way. If it is because of heat melting girders, could a conventional fire have had the same effect?

16 posted on 09/24/2001 6:04:02 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Okay. I thought I had read there was an asbestos concern amongst the firefighters and rescue teams.

Right on the second point. I believe I read that the firefighters were concerned about asbestos, and wore the masks, but detectors have failed to find any asbestos in the atmosphere. Concerns for asbestosos have led to a large number of laws supported only by junk science. Most persons can tollerate a few exposures to asbestos in a lifetime without ever developing lung disease.

17 posted on 09/24/2001 6:05:24 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom
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To: prambo
Actually, it has been widely reported that the explosion sent firballs all the way to the basement, so it's not that surprising that people saw flames and "explosions" on other floors. If those floors had anything combustable.
18 posted on 09/24/2001 6:05:52 AM PDT by sharktrager
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To: DrJasper
The building collapsed as it was designed to...straight down as opposed to toppling over....in a sense it was a controlled demolition.

Losses would have been much, much higher had the latter happened.

19 posted on 09/24/2001 6:06:20 AM PDT by kahoutek
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To: TKEman
I wouldn't surprise me if they had actually looked into the construction plans of the WTC, trying to determine the materials used in the construction.

Of course they did. If they could afford pilot training, why couldn't they afford civil engineer's consulting fee? They are professionals with a lot of bombing experience after all, not just crazy idiots.

20 posted on 09/24/2001 6:07:30 AM PDT by Old Ivan
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