Posted on 09/24/2001 5:54:37 PM PDT by kyenrac
This is for all the kids born in the 70's who dont remeber this. and didn't have to bear the burden, that our fathers, mothers, and older brothers and sisters had to bear. Jane Fonds is being HONORED as one of the "100 Women of the Century" Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known the specific men who served and sacrificed during vietnam. The first part of this is from an F-4 pilot. The Pilot's name is Jerry Driscall, a River Rat. in 1978 the former commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho LO Prison the Hanoi-Hilton dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell cleaned fed and dressed in clean PJ's he was ordered to describe for a visting American "Peace Activist" the lenient and humane treatment he'd recieved. He spat as Ms. Fonda, was clubbed and dragged away. During the subsequent beating he fell foward upon the camp Commandants feet, which sent that Officer beserk. Col. Larry Carrigan spent 6 years in the Hilton the first three of which he was "missing in action" his group to got cleaned/fed/clothed routine. they had time and devised a plan to get the word out to the world that they were alive. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper with their SSNon it in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman she walked the line, shacking each mans hand and asking little encourging snipits like "aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane tratment from your benevolent captors?" beliving this had to be a act, they each palmed her their paper. She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POW's, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers. Three me Died from the subsequent beatings. Please forward this to all the people you know so maybe it will end up on her computer
Then there's the example of Muhammed Ali. He was a draft dodger who is put forth by media as the greatest human on earth. I don't get it.
How short our memories.
I like this quote:
"Recently, Fonda expressed regret for having her picture taken straddling a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun. That took place in 1972, and the Vietnamese are still trying to shoo the flies off the muzzle.
It's rumored, she still goes to Hanoi to shop."(Norman Liebman)
When I attended naval SERE (survival, evasion, resistance & escape) school in '84, a former POW who had been at the Hanoi Hilton when Fonda came thru gave our class a lecture. He said the same thing happened as Old Sarge relates here. Three men were indeed beaten to death after being betrayed by Fonda.
I have been burned on many urban legends before, so now I go to a website which discusses and debunks urban legends. Here is what I found out about this Jane Fonda story. The link is - http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa110399.htm - in case you want to know Mr. Emery's sources.
'Hanoi Jane' Rumors Blend Fact and Fiction
Old recriminations and shameless fabrications were cobbled together by persons unknown to create the mostly false "Hanoi Jane" diatribe which still circulates today
Dateline: 11/03/99
By David Emery
Email rumors blending fact and fiction about Jane Fonda's activities as an anti-war protester during the 1970s have reopened old wounds for Vietnam veterans and inspired a new round of recriminations for things the actress did long ago, and things she never did.
The rumors (see next page) center around Fonda's tour of North Vietnam in 1972, during which she cozied up to the enemy, posing for photo ops with communist troops and broadcasting anti-American propaganda over Radio Hanoi.
During the same trip she participated in a staged press conference with American POWs, the purpose of which was to demonstrate that they were not being mistreated by their captors. Years later when the released POWs described the torture and degradation they really did suffer at the hands of the North Vietnamese, Fonda called them "hypocrites and liars."
Those facts are not under dispute. Fonda's behavior at that time, considered treasonous by some, earned her the nickname "Hanoi Jane" among the veterans and POWs of the Vietnam War, some of whom hate her to this day.
Since the '70s Fonda has revamped her image several times over, rededicating herself to her acting career, becoming a fitness guru in the early '80s, and marrying billionaire Ted Turner in 1991. In 1988 she delivered a televised apology to Vietnam veterans and their families, a gesture that didn't mollify everyone but established some distance between the new Fonda and old Fonda, whose actions, she finally admitted, had been "thoughtless and careless."
As the '90s progressed Fonda's past was less frequently brought up as an issue and seemed to dwindle in importance - until this year, that is, when Barbara Walters chose to honor the actress in a TV special called "A Celebration: 100 Years of Great Women." The announcement of the program - which aired in April 1999 and did honor Jane Fonda - prompted an instant outcry from veterans and ex-POWs, many of whom vented their indignation via the Internet. Angry recriminations were posted in newsgroups, published in newsletters and on Web pages, and shared by email.
Apparently bits and pieces of these texts, along with a few shameless fabrications, were cobbled together by persons unknown to create the "Hanoi Jane" diatribe which still circulates today. Parts of it are true and parts of it are false.
Though we don't know precisely when versions of the "Hanoi Jane" email first began making the rounds (presumably among veterans and military personnel), they found their way into general circulation in early September 1999. Each of the versions I've seen exhibits slight variations in format and wording, and in some cases added comments and/or deletions.
Jon E. Dougherty, a columnist for WorldNetDaily.com, saw fit to quote a version of the message verbatim in his September 15, 1999 column entitled "Not saluting Jane Fonda." Interestingly, Dougherty's piece, complete with his own commentary, was copied and distributed by readers and quickly established itself as an additional popular variant of the already-circulating text. [Update: Mr. Dougherty published a correction on Nov. 10, 1999, acknowledging that parts of the text are false.]
There's no disputing that Jane Fonda toured North Vietnam, propagandized on behalf of the communists, and participated in an orchestrated "press conference" with American POWs in 1972. There's no denying that she defamed POWs by whitewashing the Viet Cong's treatment of them and later calling them liars when they spoke out.
But how true are the further allegations in the current email rumors? Let's examine their veracity point by point, beginning with the most serious:
Claim: Fonda betrayed POWs by turning over slips of paper they gave her to their captors. POWs were beaten and died as a result.
Status: FALSE.
"It's a figment of somebody's imagination," says Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, who was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967. He has no idea why the story was attributed to him. "I never met Jane Fonda," he told me. It goes without saying he never handed her a secret message.
He confessed that he did see Fonda once while he was a POW - on film.
He recalled a night when he and the rest of the 80 or so men he was interned with were called out into the prison courtyard, "the first time we'd been outside under the stars in 5 or 6 years." As they all stood there wondering what was in store for them, a projector started whirring in the background. Their captors proceeded to show them footage of Jane Fonda's visit to Hanoi.
Claim: A POW spit at Fonda, for which he was brutally beaten.
Status: FALSE.
This story is attributed in the email to former Air Force pilot Jerry Driscoll, who says it's false and did not originate from him. I wasn't able to speak with Driscoll directly, but Mike McGrath and Paul Galanti, fellow officers of the Nam-POWs organization to which Driscoll belongs, told me he unequivocally disavows the story. [Update: after this commentary was written I received personal confirmation from Jerry Driscoll that the story is bogus - as he put it, "the product of a very vivid imagination."]
Mike McGrath, currently serving as the president of Nam-POWs, has been trying for more than a month to help Driscoll and Carrigan squelch the false rumors circulating under their names.
"They would like to get their names removed but the story seems to have a life of its own," he told me. "There are a lot of folks out there who would love to have a story like that to hang their hat and their hate on."
Claim: POWs were beaten for refusing to cooperate or meet with Fonda during her visit.
Status: TRUE.
The final anecdote in the "Hanoi Jane" message recounts the experience of a POW who agreed to meet with Fonda but announced to his captors that he planned on telling her how horrid conditions in North Vietnamese prison camps really were.
"Because of this," the narrative continues, "I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped."
Those words were written by Michael Benge, a civilian advisor captured by the Viet Cong in 1968 and held as a POW for 5 years. When I contacted him, he confirmed that the story was indeed his, and true.
Benge's original statement, entitled "Shame on Jane," was published in April by the Advocacy and Intelligence Network for POWs and MIAs. The nameless, faceless author of the "Hanoi Jane" message evidently picked it up from a Web page or a newsgroup and combined it with fabricated stories to create the forwarded text. Some versions now circulate with Benge's name appended, others quote his statement anonymously.
"None of us are members of the Jane Fonda Fan Club"
A good cause is never well-served by lies, and that's how all of the ex-POWs I spoke to or corresponded with about the falsehoods in this message felt. Paul Galanti said: "None of us are members of the Jane Fonda Fan Club, but these fabrications are something she just did not do."
No one had an answer to the question "Who made up these stories and why?" but both Carrigan and McGrath expressed doubt that it was a POW.
"She did enough to place her name in the trash bin of history," McGrath explained. "None of us need to make up stories on her."
Jane Fonda could not be reached for comment.
"Hanoi Jane" Fonda advised Americans Thursday to "try to understand the underlying causes" of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon that killed 6,700 of her fellow citizens, adding that it would be a mistake for the U.S. to retaliate militarily against the perpetrators.
Discussing the attacks on an Atlanta radio station, the former actress and ex-wife of CNN chief Ted Turner said she was concerned about the emotional reaction to the disaster.
"It's hard to be hopeful, frankly," she told Mix 105.7 FM. "What concerns me very much is the saber-rattling and the calls for vengeance."
"I think it has to be dealt with as a crime," the one-time exercise guru counseled. "And when there's a crime, you don't bomb a city or a country --- you use very, very clever intelligence, undercover-type operations to get the criminals and punish them, and then you try to understand the underlying causes of the crime."
This has been going around the net and landing at FR for years. In truth, it already happened two or three years ago, but the email won't stop.
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