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West is silent as Russia hits Chechens "RUSSIA has launched a series of powerful offensives"
The Scotsman ^ | Saturday, 29th September 2001 | Chris Stephen

Posted on 09/30/2001 11:39:29 AM PDT by Pericles

West is silent as Russia hits Chechens

RUSSIA has launched a series of powerful offensives in Chechnya after rebel forces ignored a deadline to lay down their arms.

Supported by artillery and helicopter gunships, special forces units struck 15 locations across the province, with Moscow claiming 27 rebel dead as fighting continues to rage.

The battles came minutes after a 72-hour-deadline to surrender set by the president, Vladimir Putin, expired on Thursday night.

The hardest fighting was around the entrance to the strategically important Vedeno gorge, the main rebel supply line south to bases in neighbouring Georgia. Russian helicopter gunships rocketed positions there while special forces battled for control of hilltops. The helicopters, one of the most feared weapons in Moscow’s armoury, were also in action further north in Chechnya.

Commando raids hit rebel units around the key cities of Gudermes and the capital Grozny, which is still infested with guerrillas despite being captured by Russia more than a year ago. Attacks also struck at several southern villages, which are now ringed by troops.

The defence ministry said that 69 suspects have been arrested by regular army and police units during the operation. Rebel troops quickly struck back, killing a district governor, Salman Abuev, and a deputy district governor, Sheikh Dubayev.

"We are determined to fight terrorism," said the defence minister, Sergei Ivanov, underlining Russia’s hard line. "We are fighting terrorists, we are not fighting Islam."

The past two months have seen a series of bloody rebel strikes against Moscow, in which scores of Russian troops have been blown up.

Russia has been at pains to stress the links between the Chechen rebels and the terror suspect Osama bin Laden. His affiliated organisations have long been blamed for pumping funding and men into the province.

Fighting alongside the rebels in this war are squads of so-called Wahabists, volunteers from the Middle East, and their senior officers have prominent positions in the Chechen command structure.

A few weeks ago, Moscow’s offensive would have risked triggering a round of criticism from Western capitals. Russia is already under pressure from the Council of Europe, which earlier this year came close to recommending its membership be suspended.

This time, the silence is deafening. With the United States and Russia now locked in what both see as a common fight to root out terrorism, it is difficult for Washington to contemplate bombing Afghanistan while criticising Russian action in Chechnya.

Mr Putin made his ultimatum earlier this week, at the same time as he promised support for the US plans to strike at bin Laden in Afghanistan.

But while Moscow has now deployed the "stick" with devastating effect, it has not given up on the "carrot" in trying to persuade the rebels to disarm.

Russian planes have dropped 100,000 leaflets across the province promising amnesty, a message reinforced by a television appeal yesterday by a district governor, Ahmed Zargaev.

"We will make all the conditions for the Chechen fighters so they can come back to their homes," said Mr Zargaev.

The signs are that the rebels plan to ignore them. While the suffering of the Chechen people has been great, the rebel army is undefeated.

Earlier this year, Moscow transferred command of the war from the army and passed to the FSB, the renamed KGB.

But the security service has proved no better at subduing the rebels than the army. Plans to pull out three-quarters of the 80,000-strong army in the province have been quietly shelved, as have plans to re-open the government in the ruined capital, Grozny.

Meanwhile, there are growing fears that the war may spread to Georgia, where the Chechens operate safe bases in the north of the country. Georgian forces and aid workers have reportedly pulled out of the region, home to base camps and supply dumps for the Chechens.

Georgia yesterday said it was handing over 30 captured Chechen fighters but Russia is likely to ask for more, following reports that a senior Chechen commander, Ruslan Gerlief, has now moved his headquarters to Georgian territory. Russia earlier this year said it might consider striking at targets across the border unless these bases were closed.

Chris Stephen In Moscow

Saturday, 29th September 2001

The Scotsman


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A time line of recent Chechnya events in descending order (more or less).

Chechen Rebels Launch New Attacks on Russia Forces

Chechens Ready to Talk With Russia "disarmament talks-a small number of rebels already surrendered"

Chechen Rebels Confirm They Have Contacted Russians About Possible Peace Talks

Russia, Chechen Rebels Negotiate "if the rebels fail to show up for talks, they must be destroyed"

Chechen rebel president names negotiator for talks with Russia (Putin:You have 3 days to surrender)

"Al Qaeda has exploited the war in Chechnya, may have even helped to provoke it" Bush Official

Chechen extremist groups involved in terror acts in US

1 posted on 09/30/2001 11:39:29 AM PDT by Pericles
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To: Pericles
I have a friend from Chechnya his parents still live there. They have a legitimate grudge against russian occupation.
2 posted on 09/30/2001 11:44:13 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Free the USA
Already posted HERE
3 posted on 09/30/2001 11:46:37 AM PDT by Enemy Of The State
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To: Pericles
Torch the fanatics. Its them or us.
5 posted on 09/30/2001 11:54:05 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Free the USA
All Muslim terrorists have been emboldened by the success of the Chechens. They must be defeated thoroughly.
6 posted on 09/30/2001 11:57:40 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Free the USA
Having fun in bed with the Communists ?


BUMP

7 posted on 09/30/2001 11:58:33 AM PDT by tm22721
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To: Pericles
Sadly, the American sheep seem to suddenly believe that Russia is their friend. Nothing could be further from the truth -- and the modern day Bismarck must be wary to avoid the mistakes of another powerful American scion who was fooled by Moscow.

The old shoe banger took the measure of a young JFK at Vienna and then promptly humbled him at the Bay of Pigs. The ex-KGB thug Putin learned a good deal earlier this year in Slovenia -- now he is maneuvering the West along the classic lines of his Chekist roots.

Mister Khrushchev said, "We will bury you..."

Chechen freedom fighters continue to battle the Russian onslaught under the leadership of democratically elected president Aslan Maskhadov. Moscow's phony offers of peace fool no one -- except the American public. Reports that the Chechens seek to negotiate are amusing at best to those that know the score.

The Chechens will never surrender -- they continue to kill dozens of Russian soldiers every week. Moscow merely uses the tragedy in America to their benefit -- as do many "friends" of the US now.

Like the Kosovo Liberation Army, Chechen freedom fighters engage Slavic forces with impunity -- scoring victory after victory. The fact that Russia does not permit Western journalists to cover the conflict does not mean it is not happening.

The West is being subtly maneuvered by Eastern experts now. One must only ask how it looks to America's enemies to see how easily the US policy towards the Russian genocide in Chechnya was shifted. This does not make America stronger -- only very much weaker.

The forces of freedom on the move. Europe trembles.

8 posted on 09/30/2001 12:20:53 PM PDT by Fusion
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To: Pericles
Why would The Great Satan or The Lesser Satans care what happens in Chechenya?
9 posted on 09/30/2001 12:25:16 PM PDT by John Hines
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To: Fusion
As a frequent traveler to the former Soviet Union, I know that the Russian people have been dealing with Islamic terrorists for some time. Buildings in Moscow and other large Russian cities have been targeted by terrorists emanating from Chechnya for many years.

The common Russian or Ukrainian will tell you the people the Russians are fighting in Chechnya are thieving murderous liars, that cannot be dealt with peacefully by civilized people.

We are only now beginning to have to deal with this problem ourselves. Our treasonous media has kept us from the truth of the Chechnya conflict for years by portraying them as freedom fighters. If they should win that conflict you will see another rogue nation with terrorist training camps and a ruling Taliban.

The true freedom fighters will always fight to rid our world of hate filled murderous liars. If they have their way we will be in the darkest age of world history, with everything we hold sacred, forbidden.

10 posted on 09/30/2001 1:17:29 PM PDT by reboot
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To: Pericles
Go Russia. I hope the US has learned to leave them be. Didn't the Chechen's set off a bomb that killed 300 in Moscow? I hope Russia kills more than they wound.
11 posted on 09/30/2001 1:29:54 PM PDT by madison46
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To: Fusion
I'll cry later. Russia may not be our 'friend'; however, as an enemy, they never killed 7,000 Americans. No, we don't have to be friends, but we can be allies. The 2 DON'T have to exist together.
12 posted on 09/30/2001 1:32:15 PM PDT by madison46
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To: madison46
Bush's memo to Putin:

I understand you boys got a problem with some al-Queba varmints down south. My advice?

Fry em.

Waste em.

Atomize em.

13 posted on 09/30/2001 1:41:10 PM PDT by TheGoodDoc
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To: TheGoodDoc
You forgot one:

Need pictures of their hideouts?

14 posted on 09/30/2001 1:52:16 PM PDT by madison46
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To: Pericles
Gee, sounds like a World War brewing. Could it be? I wonder how China feels about Muslims?
15 posted on 09/30/2001 2:03:17 PM PDT by mercy
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To: Enemy Of The State
I really can't track posted articles anymore. The topic seperator that I used to keep track of foreign policy posts is no longer seperating. Sorry.
16 posted on 09/30/2001 2:17:17 PM PDT by Pericles
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To: Free the USA
It is the same old story in Chechnya, the Muslims want to take over every country where they live. Now that is the whole story.
17 posted on 09/30/2001 4:31:43 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: tessalu
I have a Muslim friend in Jordan, and he has told me that a train load of Muslims were taken out of Cacassian mountains in 1890 by the Russians and taken to Jordan, and his grandparents were amongst them. They are much fairer than the Jordaniansm, and they have more beautiful girls, which at times is a source of trouble amongst them.. The muslims never did want to live in peace. What is going on in Chechnya is not a new story. The Chechens are known fighters, and now some of them are guards in the King's Palace in Jordan, because they saved King Hussein's life at one time. Some Jordanians are jealous of privileges that they have been given.
18 posted on 09/30/2001 4:40:03 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: Pericles
Never thought I'd say this, but....YOU GO, RUSSIA!!!
19 posted on 09/30/2001 4:43:54 PM PDT by gopgen
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To: tm22721
As time goes by a clearer definition of "terrorist" will emerge.

As it stands it's generally defined(de facto) as those who use violence to cause political change.

Some words are already defined as violent due to their hateful content.

20 posted on 09/30/2001 5:02:24 PM PDT by martian_22
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