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Missile May Have Hit Russian Plane
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Posted on 10/04/2001 9:05:19 AM PDT by Olydawg

A missile fired during a military training exercise in Ukraine appears to have accidentally brought down a Russian airliner flying from Israel to Siberia, U.S. officials said Thursday.

The plane crashed into the Black Sea with at least 77 aboard. A defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the surface-to-air missile was fired from the Crimean region of Ukraine. Ukraine is the only country known to be conducting military exercises in the Black Sea area, the official said.

The defense official said the Ukrainian military was conducting an air defense exercise off the Crimean coast that involved both warships and aircraft. Those warships have the ability to fire surface-to-air missiles, the official said.

The downing of the airliner appeared to be accidental, officials said.

A second U.S. military official said the Pentagon is attempting to clarify exactly what has happened. The officer said the incident did not appear to be a collision of two aircraft.

Rear Adm. Craig Quigley, asked if the Pentagon had any explanation, declined to comment. Earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin said terrorism could be the cause.

"A civilian aircraft crashed today and it is possible that it is the result of a terrorist act," Putin told a meeting of visiting European justice ministers in Moscow.

Bush administration officials were in almost immediate contact with their counterparts in Moscow in an attempt to determine whether there was a connection between the explosion and the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in the United States or U.S. plans to retaliate.

Ukraine's U.N. ambassador, Valery Kuchinsky, said he knew nothing of the missile report and was going to check with his government. "I don't think so," he said. "We're very careful with our missiles, and we in fact transferred most of them, the biggest, to Russia, and what we have, we're very careful."

He said he didn't know of any military exercises or activities taking place Thursday.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said U.S. officials called the Russian government to ascertain the facts.

In Moscow, Deputy Transport Minister Karl Ruppel told The Associated Press that a crew of an Armenian airliner in the area had informed Russian air traffic controllers that they saw an explosion aboard a plane flying nearby in the Black Sea area. Ruppel said he didn't know what caused the explosion. He was confirming Russian media reports of a blast on the Russian plane.

The Tupolev 154 went down in pieces 114 miles off the Russian coastal city of Adler, located on the Georgian border, said Vasily Yurchuk, a spokesman for the Ministry of Emergency Situations.

The plane, with at least 66 passengers and 11 crew members on board, was on its way from Tel Aviv to the Siberian city of Novosibirsk. It belonged to Sibir Airlines, which is based in Novosibirsk, about 1,750 miles east of Moscow. Sibir Airlines confirmed it was a charter flight.


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A training missile?
1 posted on 10/04/2001 9:05:19 AM PDT by Olydawg
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To: Olydawg

Ukrainian missile shot down Russian plane: official

KIEV, Oct 4 (AFP) -

An Ukrainian army missile accidentally shot down a Russian airliner that crashed into the Black Sea Thursday, Ukrainian navy official Igor Larichev told AFP.

All 76 people on board, mnostly Israeli citizens, were feared dead after the TU-154 Sibir Airlines jet travelling from Tel Aviv crashed into the sea 190 kilometres (115 miles) south of the Russian city of Sochi, the Russian emergencies ministry said.

Russian President Vladimir Putin earlier said he suspected a terrorist attack following reports of a midair explosion.

2 posted on 10/04/2001 9:10:06 AM PDT by Int
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To: Olydawg
If the Ukranians admit they made a mistake, they will be conducting themselves with more integrity than the Clinton administration in their coverup of the missile that downed TWA Flight 800.
3 posted on 10/04/2001 9:10:51 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: Int
NPR news just reported five minutes ago that the Ukranian military denied this possibility.
4 posted on 10/04/2001 9:12:52 AM PDT by Clinton's a rapist
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Amen, brother.
5 posted on 10/04/2001 9:12:55 AM PDT by Olydawg
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To: E. Pluribus Unum Michael Rivero
If the Ukranians admit they made a mistake, they will be conducting themselves with more integrity than the Clinton administration in their coverup of the missile that downed TWA Flight 800.

I second that motion.

6 posted on 10/04/2001 9:15:55 AM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: Clinton's a rapist
NPR news just reported five minutes ago that the Ukranian military denied this possibility.

Predictions are always tricky but having said that, I predict that the final determination on this will be exactly what it appeared to be in the first moments, a bomb onboard carried by a suicide bomber connected to the same terrorists we are currently seeking.

7 posted on 10/04/2001 9:17:06 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Olydawg
Let's recall the essential facts : yesterday Anatoly Kvashnin once again made clear Russia wasn't going to open the air space to the US.
Uzbekistan and Tadjikistan refused US military.
Only the gangsters, Kuchma and Shevarnadse were ready ...
Link to the Kursk the terrorists keep playing russian roulette
8 posted on 10/04/2001 9:18:59 AM PDT by Milosevic2
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To: Olydawg
Sound familiar?
9 posted on 10/04/2001 9:19:04 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If the plane was blown up via Terriorist... the Gov't doesn't want "total panic"...

I believe that even if it was terriorist attack, they might try to spin it as an "accident". !.. It wouldn't be the first time!
10 posted on 10/04/2001 9:20:01 AM PDT by NoCalEyes
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To: Olydawg
This doesn't pass the smell test. A live fire military exercise with advanced SAMs (advanced enough, anyway, to down an airliner at over 36,000 feet) that is taking place along well-known commercial air traffic corridors??? What the hell are you firing live SAMs into commercial traffic corridors. The only way that makes any sense is if they started the exercises after finishing off every last bottle of Stolya in Sevastopol.
11 posted on 10/04/2001 9:20:54 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: ThomasJefferson
As of 1906 local time, Interfax Ukraine is reporting that "top officials yet fail to comment on foreign mass media reports on TU-154 shaking down by Ukraine's missile "
12 posted on 10/04/2001 9:21:04 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Olydawg
The plane was downed 114 miles off Adler, Russia, and thus roughly 150-200 miles from the Crimea, and on its correct flight path from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk.

Mapquest Map

These explanations are as full of holes as that plane is now.

13 posted on 10/04/2001 9:23:02 AM PDT by Andrew Byler
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To: Olydawg
Rest-of-World Missile Systems
14 posted on 10/04/2001 9:23:02 AM PDT by michigander
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To: Olydawg
Yeah, all they need to correct the situation is hire Jim Hall, former NTSB head and Jim Kalstrom, former FBI, to throughly cleanse the truth from any investigation.

Maybe the CIA could produce a video to show how the center fuel tank exploded and the plane continued rising on the horizion, matching eye witness testimony.

15 posted on 10/04/2001 9:23:38 AM PDT by zerosix
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To: Olydawg
Oldeconomybuyer posted an interesting article from Sept 21 reporting that "Ukraine put its air defenses on alert following last week's [9/11] terror attacks" and that "Ukrainian warplanes forced a Sudanese cargo plane to land on the Black Sea peninsula of Crimea on Friday [9/21?] after aviation officials refused to let it fly over Ukraine"

I also saw a thread (it seems to have been pulled recently) where they said the planes stopover in Bulgaria was unshceduled. I know that reporting is usually off in the early hours of these types of events, but if true, that puts the plane off its original flight plan.

16 posted on 10/04/2001 9:23:49 AM PDT by sanchmo
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To: Clinton's a rapist
FROM DRUDGE: (no link)

"Ukraine's U.N. ambassador, Valery Kuchinsky, said he knew nothing of the missile report and was going to check with his government. ``I don't think so,'' he said. ``We're very careful with our missiles, and we in fact transferred most of them, the biggest, to Russia, and what we have, we're very careful.'' He said he didn't know of any military exercises or activities taking place Thursday... "

17 posted on 10/04/2001 9:24:08 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana
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To: Olydawg
Special FBI Agent Kalstrom is in route to help them with the coverup investigation.
18 posted on 10/04/2001 9:25:10 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: B Knotts
Here comes the lies.... Nothing happening here please swich the sation back to the NFL please...oooo nice catch! Touchdown!
19 posted on 10/04/2001 9:25:28 AM PDT by Mr.E
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To: Olydawg

20 posted on 10/04/2001 9:28:13 AM PDT by klpt
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