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Was TWA 800 theTwin Towers Prototype?
thoughts mulled over for a long time

Posted on 10/12/2001, 1:37:44 PM by Arthur Wildfire! March

People say that terrorists might have taken down TWA 800. Others say that the wiring was messed up or some other technical reason. I knew both theories were flawed. I'll get into why later. I think I understand things better now.

In light of the Twin Towers and the missile-downed Russian plane, I now think that perhaps TWA 800 had been taken by terrorists. It could well be that terrorists took the plane and announced to our government that they will crash the plane into a building.

Thus, perhaps our military was compelled to shoot the plane down. Not wanting to own up to killing innocent people from a variety of countries, and not wanting to hurt airline profits, I can well understand why our nation's leaders wanted to keep this quiet. Even James Trafficant helped keep a lid on this, which is very unlike him. [He is the only federal politician to take on the IRS, even when all his contributers were audited. So Trafficant can only be part of a coverup if he is convinced it is the right thing to do.]

Note that the Russians fessed up that they 'accidentally' shot a commercial jet down during a 'training exercize'. Right.... First we apparently shoot a plane down during a training exercize with TWA 800 and then the Russians do the same thing a few years later? But noting terrorist activity at the time of the Russian 'snafoo', it is logical to wonder if perhaps terrorists took over the plane and the Russian military shot it down and, if this notion is correct, they don't want to admit killing innocent people.

Now to 'shoot down' two myths about TWA 800.

Myth One: mechanical problem?

There was an orange chemical found in the wreckage, RDX. It is only found US missiles. And, the impact was in the body of the plane. Over a hundred witnesses saw a missile.

Myth Two: Terrorists shot down TWA 800?

It could not be a terrorist missile. Why? Shoulder fired missiles that terrorists could get hold of, [at least during that time, not sure about the latest in shoulder fired missiles] hit jet engines, not the body of a jet. It had to be a larger missile than the kind you strap to your shoulder. Otherwise, the plane would have lost an engine and perhaps a wing, not be shot in the side.

Conclusion: If my suspicion is correct, then this was covered up, which can be understandable. However, when you deny the public information like this and DO NOTHING to prevent this from happening again, and you exploit the tragedy by shaking down the airline industry for contributions by threatening to make them tear out and replace the wiring of all their planes, and you allow the terrorists to improve on their first attempt, you are responsible for the Twin Towers.


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1 posted on 10/12/2001, 1:37:44 PM by Arthur Wildfire! March
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2 posted on 10/12/2001, 1:39:07 PM by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
I think it's entirely possible. Also, remember that plane crash where I think it was an Egyptian pilot purposely crashed his plane into the ocean? They said it was suicide, but that seems to be an act of terrorism too. It's kind of like they tried all this stuff before, but it never got attributed to terrorism, but with the WTC there was no mistaking what it was.
3 posted on 10/12/2001, 1:41:42 PM by DouglasKC
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
bttt
4 posted on 10/12/2001, 1:43:42 PM by callisto
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To: overseer5
Quite a slip by Stephy. Thank you for your input. My mom once caught a video feed where Stephy called people 'a bunch of sheep and Clinton's out there to shear them' [paraphrase]. It was between broadcasts. We used to catch interesting comments during those feeds.
6 posted on 10/12/2001, 1:50:33 PM by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
And don't forget Cairo-bound Boeing 767 which went down on October 31, 1999.

Do you remember how the Egyptian government when mad when US aviation investigators concluded that the pilot, Gamell el-Batouty, committed suicide, denying that any Muslim would committ suicide?

Do you remember his last words "I made my decision now. I put my faith in God's hands".

In light of the events of Sept. 11, Oct 31, 1999, may need to be re-investigated.

7 posted on 10/12/2001, 1:52:56 PM by SocialMeltdown
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Snicker!
8 posted on 10/12/2001, 1:53:00 PM by verity
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Your theory makes a lot of sense and covers several bases.
9 posted on 10/12/2001, 1:56:23 PM by WillaJohns
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
EgyptAir denies report on co-pilot's suicide

Flight 990, flying from New York to Cairo on Oct. 31, 1999, crashed into the Atlantic Ocean killing its entire 217 passenger

June 25, 2001, 02:44 PM

CAIRO (AFP)

Egypt's airline and pilots' union rejected Monday a report in the US magazine Newsweek that Egyptian investigators privately agreed with their US counterparts that a co-pilot's suicide was the likely cause of an October 1999 EgyptAir crash in which 217 people died.

"The report published in Newsweek is false," said a high-ranking EgyptAir official on condition of anonymity.

Newsweek reported Sunday that US intelligence intercepts revealed that Egyptian investigators secretly agreed with US findings that the plane's co-pilot, Gamil Al-Battuti, intentionally crashed the Boeing jet into the Atlantic shortly after take-off from New York on October 31, 1999, with the aim of killing himself.

"It is inconceivable that a member of the Egyptian investigation commission would admit to the allegation of suicide by Gamil Al-Battuti," the EgyptAir official said. The accusation, first leaked by US officials in late 1999, has long enraged the Egyptian public.

"If we were convinced, even slightly, of the US point of view concerning the accident's cause... the investigation would have already been completed without consuming so much time and effort on the part of the Egyptian team for uncovering the truth," the official said.

EgyptAir's managing director Mohamed Fahim Rayyan has already rejected the suicide theory.

The Egyptian pilots' union also denounced the Newsweek story as "lacking all foundation," said pilot Ashraf Al-Hawwari, the union's secretary.

"The US authorities have tried since the beginning to throw all responsibility for the accident on the Egyptian pilots," Al-Hawwari said.

An Egyptian opposition daily, Al-Wafd, also attacked the Newsweek report, saying Washington had sparked an "espionage scandal" by eavesdropping on EgyptAir officials investigating the crash.

Al-Wafd, run by the liberal opposition party of the same name, ran with the front-page headline: "American espionage scandal against Egypt."

The United States is "a state founded on monitoring and espionage" which is "not ashamed to spy on itself as shown by the Watergate scandal, when the president (Richard Nixon) spied on his adversaries," it charged.

"Will Egypt keep quiet on this flagrant violation and what justification will Washington give Cairo about this crime?" asked Al-Wafd, which concluded the authorities here will opt for "silence."

The National Transportation Safety Board is due to release its final report on the crash, which concludes that Battuti caused the Boeing to dive into the ocean, Newsweek said. Newsweek also quoted US officials as saying Egyptian authorities blocked efforts by US investigators to look into Battuti's lifestyle.

Egyptian authorities have demanded the report be based on facts alone, and according to Newsweek insist the crash was caused by a mechanical problem.

The Egyptian government and state-run newspapers have made no comment on the Newsweek story.

10 posted on 10/12/2001, 1:59:11 PM by SocialMeltdown
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Bizarre.
11 posted on 10/12/2001, 1:59:36 PM by sinkspur
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
I can't put my hands on the source but I read that Boeing has not retrofitted the remaining fleet of 747s even after flight 800 was deemed to be a fuel explosion.
12 posted on 10/12/2001, 2:10:23 PM by LiberteeBell
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
This one makes the most sense to me. It brings all the BS into a very plausible conclusion. Scary as freekin hell. And who was the prick that was president? George Termite Stephan-whatever recently called it a bombing. Peter Canuck Drop out Jennings dogged the comment from Termite completely. This is bigger than the spineless money grubbers in DC could ever imagine. Wonder how the families of 800 feel.
13 posted on 10/12/2001, 2:10:42 PM by gohabsgo
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To: DouglasKC
"They said it was suicide, but that seems to be an act of terrorism too."

Isn't suicide by definition killing YOURSELF? Anyone else that died as a result were murdered. I have no doubt that September 11th was just one terrorist event in a long string of terrorist events, which no doubt include the freak that flew his plane into the ocean.

14 posted on 10/12/2001, 2:13:57 PM by cactmh
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Interesting, however there is nothing that indicates hijackers took over the plane. It happened too early in flight for word to get out and U.S. defenses to position for a shot at the aircraft. I also don't think the U.S. would have anticipated a jet-strike on Manhattan -- if they did then, why wouldn't they have scrambled jets IMMEDIATELY after the Boston flights were reported hijacked? There are enough homebased fighter jets that could have broken the sound-barrier (read Chicago, American Airlines jet was intercepted within minutes) to intercept at least the second jet. I don't think anyone was expecting them to bury those jets in WTC. Once the first one hit, they scrambled fighters but they were eight minutes short.

I still think there was a missile fired. I think it was a terrorist missile. I admit there are discrepancies in the body-strike (as opposed to an engine strike), but I would think ANY heat seeking missile would hit the engines (not just a shoulder-launcher)...

Check out TWA 800.com. They have a plethora of additional near-misses reported from Pakistani Airlines and others in that period of time right around the incident.

15 posted on 10/12/2001, 2:17:29 PM by Dirk McQuickly
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To: overseer5
James Kallstrom made the same statement as Stephie and no one called him on it either. There were a couple of threads on FR discussing this subject.
16 posted on 10/12/2001, 2:19:41 PM by LiberteeBell
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Thus, perhaps our military was compelled to shoot the plane down.

OK, TWA800 took off at 8:19 and crashed at 8:31. So according to your theory the plane was hijacked, the local authorities learned about it, they decided that it was going to fly into a building, they contacted the federal government, the government made the decision to shoot it down, the military was brought into the picture, the proper asset was notified, the asset targeted the plane, and the asset shot the plane down. All in 12 minutes. And, let me remind you, without TWA800 deviating from it's eastern course towards the city at all. Am I the only one who has a problem with this scenario?

17 posted on 10/12/2001, 2:19:56 PM by Non-Sequitur
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Jim Trafficant is a crook. Check him out in the Cleveland Plaindealer and other Ohio press. Quit tooting that fool crooks's horn. The sooner we vote him out the better for his area.
18 posted on 10/12/2001, 2:22:30 PM by Naej
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You're right. Does not compute.
19 posted on 10/12/2001, 2:22:46 PM by Dirk McQuickly
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No, but that won't stop dozens of people jumping on this latest conspiracy theory bandwagon, will it?
20 posted on 10/12/2001, 2:24:32 PM by Non-Sequitur
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