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FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 10/22/2001 | DAMIAN WHITWORTH

Posted on 10/21/2001 5:43:35 PM PDT by Pokey78

AMERICAN investigators are considering resorting to harsher interrogation techniques, including torture, after facing a wall of silence from jailed suspected members of Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda network, according to a report yesterday.

More than 150 people who were picked up after September 11 remain in custody, with four men the focus of particularly intense scrutiny. But investigators have found the usual methods have failed to persuade any of them to talk.

Options being weighed include “truth” drugs, pressure tactics and extraditing the suspects to countries whose security services are more used to employing a heavy-handed approach during interrogations.

“We’re into this thing for 35 days and nobody is talking. Frustration has begun to appear,” a senior FBI official told The Washington Post.

Under US law, evidence extracted using physical pressure or torture is inadmissible in court and interrogators could also face criminal charges for employing such methods. However, investigators suggested that the time might soon come when a truth serum, such as sodium pentothal, would be deemed an acceptable tool for interrogators.

The public pressure for results in the war on terrorism might also persuade the FBI to encourage the countries of suspects to seek their extradition, in the knowledge that they could be given a much rougher reception in jails back home.

One of the four key suspects is Zacarias Moussaoui, a French Moroccan, suspected of being a twentieth hijacker who failed to make it on board the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania. Moussaoui was detained after he acted suspiciously at a Minnesota flying school, requesting lessons in how to steer a plane but not how to take off or land. Both Morocco and France are regarded as having harsher interrogation methods than the United States.

The investigators have been disappointed that the usual incentives to break suspects, such as promises of shorter sentences, money, jobs and new lives in the witness protection programme, have failed to break the silence.

“We are known for humanitarian treatment, so basically we are stuck. Usually there is some incentive, some angle to play, what you can do for them. But it could get to that spot where we could go to pressure . . . where we don’t have a choice, and we are probably getting there,” an FBI agent involved in the investigation told the paper.

The other key suspects being held in New York are Mohammed Jaweed Azmath and Ayub Ali Khan, Indians who were caught the day after the attacks travelling with false passports, craft knives such as those used in the hijackings and hair dye. Nabil Almarabh, a Boston taxi driver alleged to have links to al-Qaeda, is also being held. Some legal experts believe that the US Supreme Court, which has a conservative tilt, might be prepared to support curtailing the civil liberties of prisoners in terrorism cases.

However, a warning that torture should be avoided came from Robert Blitzer, a former head of the FBI’s counter-terrorism section. He said that the practice “goes against every grain in my body. Chances are you are going to get the wrong person and risk damage or killing them.”

In all, about 800 people have been rounded up since the attacks, most of whom are expected to be found to be innocent. Investigators believe there could be hundreds of people linked to al-Qaeda living in the US, and the Bush Administration has issued a warning that more attacks are probably being planned.

Newsweek magazine reports today that Mohammed Atta, the suspected ringleader who died in the first plane to hit the World Trade Centre, had been looking into hitting an aircraft carrier. Investigators retracing his movements found that he visited the huge US Navy base at Norfolk, Virginia, in February and April this year.


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1 posted on 10/21/2001 5:43:35 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Torture would be a violation of their civil rights.
2 posted on 10/21/2001 5:46:44 PM PDT by latrans
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To: Pokey78
“We are known for humanitarian treatment, so basically we are stuck. Usually there is some incentive, some angle to play, what you can do for them. But it could get to that spot where we could go to pressure . . . where we don’t have a choice, and we are probably getting there,” an FBI agent involved in the investigation told the paper.

Maybe we should try bribing them with 17 virgins.....geez, do we really think we'll get information from them by politically correct means????

3 posted on 10/21/2001 5:48:22 PM PDT by dubyagee
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To: latrans
Yeah. And due process, too...
4 posted on 10/21/2001 5:49:12 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: Pokey78
I believe the Mossad could also get them to talk.
5 posted on 10/21/2001 5:49:57 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Pokey78
Sorry, I can't go for physical torture of captives. Not sure I want the US government in the physical torture business.

A tank full of Jimmy Dean Pork Sausage however isn't really physically dangerous.
6 posted on 10/21/2001 5:50:31 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Pokey78
Send in Hillary to do a strip tease. They'll lose their lunch and then spill the beans.
7 posted on 10/21/2001 5:50:39 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: clintonh8r
Rather another 10,000 Americans get killed, than we should fail to read the scum every provision of their Miranda rights.
8 posted on 10/21/2001 5:51:00 PM PDT by BCrago66
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To: Pokey78
Take them into Israeli embassy... Israeli soil... the laws are different there..
9 posted on 10/21/2001 5:51:05 PM PDT by Lexington Green
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To: Pokey78
A careful reading of this story, and the quotes used to back it up, don't reveal any basis whatsoever for the main premise of the article.
10 posted on 10/21/2001 5:51:17 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Pokey78
I believe that it would be wrong for the FBI to use torture techniques to extract this information.

On the other hand, putting them in protective custody in the general population of a prison in New York State might be a good idea.

11 posted on 10/21/2001 5:51:18 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: Pokey78
Use any means necessary. Go for it.
12 posted on 10/21/2001 5:51:20 PM PDT by Clinton's a rapist
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To: Pokey78
Who needs torture? Why not sodium pentathol or hypnosis? Neither are physically dangerous to the 'subject', but I don't know about the legality of it.
13 posted on 10/21/2001 5:52:08 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Pokey78
I would think there are a number of creative uses for pork guts and skin that isn't painful or inhumane. Are you reading this Feds?
14 posted on 10/21/2001 5:52:24 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: Tennessee_Bob
... accidents happen ...
15 posted on 10/21/2001 5:52:39 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Pokey78
Threaten to turn them over to the Massad; that will loosen their slimy tongues!
16 posted on 10/21/2001 5:52:48 PM PDT by lightning
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Oh yeah ...there are no Muslims in NY prisons (Not a good idea Bob)
17 posted on 10/21/2001 5:53:04 PM PDT by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: clintonh8r
ah ta hell with it
since the canucks are too polite and since W and fox are such good
buddies, why dont we send some of these folks down
to ol' mexico and see if our companeros down there can persude them
to sing a little.
18 posted on 10/21/2001 5:53:14 PM PDT by tamu
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To: Pokey78
Leave them alone and tied up with Barbara Olsen's husband in the room with a large knife. The terrorist in that situation would be talking real quick.
19 posted on 10/21/2001 5:54:39 PM PDT by Hillary 666
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To: Clinton's a rapist
Use of sodium pentathal is very painless, and maybe effective. I prefer the testicular vice method.

All DemocRATic and IsLAMEST lurkers please do not respond.

20 posted on 10/21/2001 5:54:46 PM PDT by imperator2
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