If support for Nazi-style "papers" is growing, it's only among the elites. A recent WorldNetDaily poll found over 38% of Americans would refuse to accept such a card.

Answer this, Larry Ellison: how the hell would your Nazi-style "papers" stop any of the millions of people dropping snailmail into street mailboxes like that one in New Jersey from dropping in anthraxed letters - like was done?

Writes Cohen: "The ID card could be used to compile all sorts of information so that when a cop stops you for speeding (you're innocent, of course) he'll know you're behind on your mortgage payments and just came back from a trip to the Middle East."

This was in an article in favor of national ID cards??

If support for Nazi-style "papers" is growing, it's only among the elites. A recent WorldNetDaily poll found over 38% of Americans would refuse to accept such a card.

Of course the druggies and the perverts would oppose such a card.
The "Nazi-like" BS just doesn't work any more. Nazis used clocks, so we have to invent a new way to tell time?
Take about drug induced haze...

The only comment is that 38% is probably a manufactured number. The hard core druggies and deviants can't be that numerous.

Are you going to come to my house and force me to take one of these ID-cards, or will you merely wait for the SD to do your dirty work?

You want an ID card, you go get one - leave me alone.

prambo

PS - You might want to read a litttle history of the use of Weimar Republic laws by the Nazis. All we need is these ID cards and Hitlery as president, and I guarantee we'll both be behind the same barbwire fence.

Answer this, Larry Ellison: how the hell would your Nazi-style "papers" stop any of the millions of people dropping snailmail into street mailboxes like that one in New Jersey from dropping in anthraxed letters - like was done?

I am not Larry, but using the firm ID established with the card, (you also have to give some identifier like thumprint or facial characteristics) I can show you how this process will stop people from mailing letters. They will be in jail.

Think back, when Atta was coming back from Germany with firm orders about the day to strike (9-11) he was found to have a visa that was out of date. (For the false ID he was using that day) The INS agent had nothing on file for this false ID and so they let him in when he promised to go the the embassy and get his visa in order so he could go to school in this country. Simply knowing his real ID would have put him in the poky. He had a record here, I believe he was on the watch list (again under his real name). We simply have to be able to tell who we are really, and cut through this fake ID approach to fooling our police. And this will unfortunately catch the good folk with a false ID to give the officer when they are stopped for speeding and I know this is a loss of freedom but hey, war is a bitch.

...I know this is a loss of freedom but hey, war is a bitch.

If you think war is a bitch, then why do you insist on pushing things like this ID card that will not only result in a loss of freedom, but maybe a war on the domestic front? Sooner or later the limit is going to be reached, and even the conservatives that you don't consider "radical" are going to join in a literal, bloody fight.

As has been amply demonstrated in the last few years, our govt has become an all consuming beast, with less and less regard for the truth, or the rights of the citizens under the Constitution. I don't know specifically where the line is, but I know that for me, and many others I know, it's very close.

So many laws are already on the books that were intended to deal with this very situation, and under the doctrine of 'political correctness', have been allowed to gather dust. You can look at this several ways, but it all comes back to the treasonous, liberal policies of the last 4 decadeds. Liberals are to blame for the current troubles, and should be loudly and aggressively denounced, and shunned from society. While they are entitled to their opinion, they are also entitled to the consequences of their policies.

I spit on liverals.

Think back, when Atta was coming back from Germany with firm orders about the day to strike (9-11) he was found to have a visa that was out of date.

So you put him on the first plane back to Germany. No harassment of citizens required.

we'll both be behind the same barbwire fence.

Enjoy your stay. The only way I'll have one, is when they stick it between the fingers of

My Cold Dead Hands.

If you think war is a bitch, then why do you insist on pushing things like this ID card that will not only result in a loss of freedom, but maybe a war on the domestic front? Sooner or later the limit is going to be reached, and even the conservatives that you don't consider "radical" are going to join in a literal, bloody fight.

Really, all you need to do is tell the Democrats that, if they push through a National ID Card, you will require it to be shown at the polls. They'll kill the idea.

This plan is simply a diversion to keep Americans from focusing on the *real* threat to our security - open borders, uncontrolled immigration, and the failure to deport.

Perhaps you can explain what good such an ID Card system would actually do?

Let me get this sparkling clear:

Foreigners who have no rights to be here, even from countries that support terrorism, are still being invited to be our guests. And because of the threat that they pose, I, a US citizen am expected to be tagged like a common housepet?!

Am I to conclude that the rights of foreigners are held above my own?!

And there are some who really think I'll cooperate with this insanity? If they do, they're hallucinating.

I can show you how this process will stop people from mailing letters. They will be in jail.

Of course, you can deny the free citizens of this nation the freedom to speak, assemble, travel, purchase, sell, own weapons, unless they have the card. At that point, all your rights are reduced to mere priviledges. At that point, there is nothing left for the people of this nation to fight for. When the government becomes a bigger inconvenience to it's citizens than the Taliban or the commies, all this current flag waiving will degenerate into meaningless mass psychosis of the kind which gripped the swastika worhipping "good germans" sixty years ago. Either we fight FOR the Constitution or we lose everything. Period.

I know this is a loss of freedom but hey, war is a bitch.

We have not yet declared war, as demanded by the supreme law of the land, but I see you're already seduced. You are not a real American. You are a domestic enemy.

The people who support a national ID card are as uneducated as the people of Afghanistan (who never went to school). What does this say about our education system. These people believe what they hear the TV pundits say. No American in his or her right mind would ever think this or suggest it. Larry Ellison is in it for profit, I understand that. But, what are all the others in it for? Security? I pitty the fools!

The people who support a national ID card are as uneducated as the people of Afghanistan (who never went to school). What does this say about our education system. These people believe what they hear the TV pundits say. No American in his or her right mind would ever think this or suggest it. Larry Ellison is in it for profit, I understand that. But, what are all the others in it for? Security? I pitty the fools!

I know this is a loss of freedom but hey, war is a bitch.

Please change your screen name.

This "growing support" for I.D. cards is the same as the "growing support" for slavery reparations - non-existent. The media figured out long ago that if they tell the sheeple something long enough, they will believe it. So, whether its "growing support" for i.d. cards, reparations, gun control, new taxes etc...., they just tell you there is this "growing support", and the idiots of the country who think that because there is "support", it must be ok.

When the truth about what an "ID card" is told, no freedom loving citizen is for it. Those on this board who say "there is no problem with them, give me mine" are more than likely government hacks.

Any half-way intelligent person knows there is absolutely no reason for these cards. They can do nothing to stop what happened. Deport all arabs who are not citizens. Stop easy immigration. Dont let them back in.

So, you think that anyone who opposes a national ID is a "druggie" or a "pervert"? Do you care to back that assertion up?

Here's something for you to think about: have you considered how many people would have to have access to the database for the ID to be genuinely useful? At least hundreds of thousands of federal employees; and to be of any use state and local authorities would need access too. Now we're talking millions of people. And that's just the users. We haven't even considered the people who would be needed for data entry and maintenance. Plus the bureaucracy needed to clear people for access. You think such a system would be secure? And you accuse others of being on drugs?

Have you thought about the cost? Sure, Larry Ellison will give the govt the RDBMS software for free. Big Deal. That costs Oracle next to nothing (and they'll probably write it off on their taxes!). If you know anything about software development you'll know that the cost of the software is a tiny fraction of the development cost...and that's before you consider maintenance, upgrades, etc. And it will be the govt doing this...it will cost a boatload of money and won't work when it comes to catching bad guys. The only people who will be caught are the law-abiding. Just the same as with gun control.

Atta would have been stopped if HE had been required to have a ID Card with HIS fingerprints on it. You come by my house and issue me an ID Card, I'll have my response at the ready! Blackbird.