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Muslims and Modernity
Slate ^ | 25 Oct 2001 | Robert Wright

Posted on 10/25/2001 7:44:04 AM PDT by white trash redneck

Muslims and Modernity 
By Robert Wright
Updated Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 1:44 PM PT

The politically incorrect view of Islam seems to be gaining momentum. In the wake of Sept. 11, the Bush administration had insisted that Islam is a peaceful religion, "hijacked" by a few extremists. Then, in a New York Times Magazine essay , my friend Andrew Sullivan dissented. He acknowledged that there are moderate Muslims and that the Quran in places counsels mercy and tolerance. "But it would be naive to ignore in Islam a deep thread of intolerance toward unbelievers, especially if those unbelievers are believed to be a threat to the Islamic world." He then quoted the Quran's commandment to "kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them."

Now an essay in last Sunday's Washington Post seconds the motion that we look to the Quran for clues about modern Islam—and agrees that the clues are damning. "Scholars of the Koran assure us that nothing in the text commands the faithful to take up the sword against the innocent," writes Michael Skube. "But, as the text makes clear, the sword is to be taken up—against those who deny Allah and his Messenger, against those who once believed but fell away, against foes of the faith, real or imagined."

In a recent appraisal of the ongoing argument over Islam, Slate's Seth Stevenson notes in passing that Christian and Jewish scriptures aren't devoid of belligerence either. He wasn't kidding. Here is some guidance offered in the book of Deuteronomy.  

When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; and when the Lord your God gives it into your hand you shall put all its males to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the cattle, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourselves.

Granted, the Judeo-Christian God—unlike the Muslim hijackers—here seems to favor sparing women and children. But this treatment is reserved for "cities which are very far from you." In nearer cities, "the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded; that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices which they have done in the service of their gods, and so to sin against the Lord your God." In contrast, the Quran—as interpreted not by Mohamed Atta but by Mohammed, who was something of an authority on it—counsels sparing women and children, even in a holy war.

I'm not saying that Islam is irrelevant to what happened on Sept. 11. In fact, I buy much of Sullivan's argument—that understanding contemporary Islamic fundamentalism, as distinguished from moderate strands of Islam, helps illuminate our predicament. But I am saying that this whole business of mining the Quran for incendiary quotes is essentially pointless. Religions evolve, and there is usually enough ambiguity in their founding scriptures to let them evolve in any direction. If Osama Bin Laden were a Christian, and he still wanted to destroy the World Trade Center, he would cite Jesus' rampage against the money-changers. If he didn't want to destroy the World Trade Center, he could stress the Sermon on the Mount.

To some of Islam's critics, this evolutionary view of religion seems only to strengthen their indictment of the faith. Why, they ask, hasn't Islam done what other faiths have done—use the leeway offered by scriptural ambiguity to evolve away from truculent intolerance? Whereas during the crusades Muslims and European Christians were equally bent on slaughtering infidels (i.e., each other), European Christians today seem to accept religious diversity in a way that millions of Muslims don't. Why is that?

To me, the answer seems simple: The predominately Christian nations have become more economically advanced, more globalized, which naturally leads to a more cosmopolitan outlook. It's impossible to do business with people while slaughtering them, and it's pretty hard to do business with them while telling them that they'll burn in hell forever. Modern global capitalism has its faults, but religious intolerance isn't one of them.

In this view, the intolerance of Islamic fundamentalists is a reflection not of scripture laid down 1,400 years ago, but of their sociological circumstances in recent decades. In Pakistan, alongside millions of insular and mostly poor fundamentalists, are wealthier, worldlier, and more moderate Muslims. Marxists may get most things wrong, but when they view religion as "superstructure"—a product of deeper economic and political dynamics—they're onto something.

Some who acknowledge that modernization saved Christianity from rabid intolerance would like to turn even this into an indictment of Islam. Why, they ask suspiciously, didn't the Islamic world modernize readily? Why did Christian Europe beat Islamic civilization to the industrial revolution? Mightn't there be something inherently oppressive and economically stultifying about Islam? Wasn't some Christian emphasis on personal liberty the key to Europe's industrial-age success?

There are several things I dislike about this line of thought: 1) Its incompatibility with the great intellectual and economic accomplishment of Islamic civilization during much of the Middle Ages; 2) its incompatibility with the intense authoritarianism of some leading Christians before the industrial revolution (Calvin ruled Geneva roughly as Stalin ruled Russia); 3) its incompatibility with my own favorite theory about why Europe industrialized before either China or Islamic civilization, both of which had earlier been on the leading edge of commerce and technology.

This theory stresses the lack of effective empire—of firm centralized rule—in Europe during the late Middle Ages and the early modern era. Because Europe was politically fragmented, there were lots of polities experimenting with forms of political and economic organization that would let them best their neighbors. The more experiments there are, the more likely you are to find a winning formula—such as the combination of political and economic liberty that was proving its power in the Netherlands by the late 16th century and in Britain by the late 17th. The success of this formula gave nearby Christian nations little choice but to adopt it, and their Christianity evolved accordingly.

The magic formula of political and economic liberty has since spread across much of the world. Eventually, I'm sure, it will prevail even in currently repressive Islamic states.

Unfortunately, the transition could be wrenching. Though globalization is the long-run hope for Islamic society, it is the short-run threat. Yes, market economies are the only lasting cure for poverty. But the first step in the cure often strains the bonds of tradition by moving people from rural, kin-based communities into cities or shantytowns. And even decades after this initial dislocation, when families have been pulled safely out of poverty, modernization can still threaten the values of the deeply religious. Hence the paradox of the two types of 9/11 hijackers: the poor, uneducated ones, and the middle-class but alienated ones.

There is obviously a sense in which the blame-Islam-first crowd is right, and Islam is part of the problem. The attitude of Islamic fundamentalists—an abhorrence of the non-Islamic world—conflicts with the logic of globalization, and, sooner or later, something has to give. But if history is any guide, what will give in the end is reactionary religion, not technological progress. And the result will be, as it has been in the past, the evolution of a more humane, tolerant faith. There is no timeless, immutable essence of Islam, rooted in the Quran, that condemns it to a Medieval morality.

The truth is depressing enough: We have to fight poverty and ignorance, yet the surest cure for these things—economic modernization—carries intense short-run dangers. We don't need to further depress ourselves by forgetting that most of the world's prosperous Christian lands once had the same mindset as today's fundamentalist Muslims. They were mired in a pre-modern belief system—and there but for the grace of a few quirks of history they might still be.


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It looks like the long term solution to Islamic terrorism is to drag them kicking and screaming into the 21st century. Of course, the $64,000 question is "How?" A new age of colonialism is one possibility, though I am also reminded of the cartoon I saw on FR of the Taliban leaders receiving a threatening note from us which said "Give us Bin Ladin or we'll send your daughters to college."
1 posted on 10/25/2001 7:44:04 AM PDT by white trash redneck
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To: white trash redneck
Great post. The really immediate problem is to avoid an all-out nuclear war - which would solve the "Muslim" problem.
2 posted on 10/25/2001 8:01:05 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: white trash redneck
I agree it's not so much a religious conflict as it is a cultural clash. As far as they're concerned, the Great Satan has flourished like the green bay tree while Islamic countries are still trying to get mileage out of the fact that they dominated the globe...about 1000 years ago. They just can't stand to see our success, while they're stuck under oppressive, non-democratic governments. The other problem is that they want to pick and choose what they take from Western culture, and it never works that way. They want our technology and economic success, but not our freedoms, even though they go hand in hand.

The main reason why they hate the U.S. in particular is because we are the most powerful. The weak and impotent always despise the strong and powerful.

3 posted on 10/25/2001 8:18:52 AM PDT by wimpycat
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To: liberallarry
Gives a whole new meaning to the greening of the desert. Green glass that is.
4 posted on 10/25/2001 8:23:54 AM PDT by hsszionist
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To: white trash redneck
Thanks for the useful article.
5 posted on 10/25/2001 8:40:33 AM PDT by Chicago Guy 2
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To: white trash redneck; Kevin Curry; CheneyChick; vikingchick; WIMom; one_particular_harbour...
Wow.

What a treasure trove of scholarly error. Let's take a look at a few of Robert Wright's shining gems.

"Religions evolve, and there is usually enough ambiguity in their founding scriptures to let them evolve in any direction. If Osama Bin Laden were a Christian, and he still wanted to destroy the World Trade Center, he would cite Jesus' rampage against the money-changers. If he didn't want to destroy the World Trade Center, he could stress the Sermon on the Mount."

Simply put, this is blasphemy by faint praise. Jesus made no ambiguous claims that can be calmly construed to permit, let alone condone terrorism. By any objective reading, Mohammed's very words are a wellspring of terrorist inspiration.

Why, they ask, hasn't Islam done what other faiths have done—use the leeway offered by scriptural ambiguity to evolve away from truculent intolerance? Whereas during the crusades Muslims and European Christians were equally bent on slaughtering infidels (i.e., each other), European Christians today seem to accept religious diversity in a way that millions of Muslims don't. Why is that?

Ah, the Crusade canard... What apologia of moral equivalence for Islam would be complete without it? Granted, Wright drops it in more subtly than most, rather than a heavy grinding of the ax, but this is specious propaganda, nonetheless.

The Crusades cannot be understood in the absence of historical context, that being: they did not erupt spontaneously from the heart and teachings of Christianity, but were a Christian response to the Mohammedan jihad of Islamic conquest in the 7th and 8th Centuries.

The concept of a Holy War is foreign to the New Testament, but intrinsic to the Koran, as the author acknowledges.

Granted, the Judeo-Christian God—unlike the Muslim hijackers—here seems to favor sparing women and children. But this treatment is reserved for "cities which are very far from you." In nearer cities, "the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded; that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices which they have done in the service of their gods, and so to sin against the Lord your God." In contrast, the Quran—as interpreted not by Mohamed Atta but by Mohammed, who was something of an authority on it—counsels sparing women and children, even in a holy war.

Not a fair comparison at all, for two salient reasons:

It is highly instructive to take note of the obvious here... Robert Wright, in attempting to cast a moderate light on Islam (by focusing on economic development) has taken examples of Judeo-Christian history that either occurred during the Old Testament, or during the Middle Ages. But that misses the point entirely... The New Testament.

What did Jesus say, as opposed to what Mohammed said?

That's the difference between Christianity and Islam.

6 posted on 10/25/2001 8:56:18 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: white trash redneck
Bin Laden were a Christian, and he still wanted to destroy the World Trade Center, he would cite Jesus' rampage against the money-changers.

Bull bleep! Nowhere does it say that Jesus killed the money changers.

7 posted on 10/25/2001 9:13:44 AM PDT by Salman
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To: Sabertooth
The use of an Old Testament example here is highly disingenuous

Oh, please....the seeming attempts to almost pretend the Old Testament isn't part of Christianity is highly disengenuous.

Bibles have the Old Testament in them, The Old Testament is read in churches. The Old Testament is part of Christianity and it has some pretty violent aspects. End of story.

8 posted on 10/25/2001 9:14:30 AM PDT by John H K
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To: John H K
The issue here isn't the Old Testament. You don't see Orthodox Jews or fundamentalist Christians flying fully loaded jets into skyscrapers. This was done by *Muslims* whose leader explicitly invoked the Koran to "justify" their actions, and who has told us in no uncertain terms that there's "more to come." Free, democratic nations with Christian majorities are not murdering members of minority religions - that honor is reserved to virtually *every* country on the face of the planet that has a Muslim majority. Christians are not the ones cutting off women's external genitalia, forcing them into purdah, forbidding them from travelling or driving cars, or shooting them in the head for teaching school. That's done by Muslims, who use the Koran to *justify* it. As much as people would like to play the moral equivalency game here, there's NO equivalent. Don't tell me about what Jews did in the desert 3,000 years ago. That was then, this is now. Look at who the true international criminals are, and how they religiously justify it.
9 posted on 10/25/2001 9:22:20 AM PDT by ikanakattara
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To: ikanakattara
While the Old Testament Hebrews were pretty bloodthirsty, and the Spanish Inquisition doesn't exactly show Christianity in a kind and gentle light, the point is that these two religions have passed through their brutal phases hundreds, or thousands, of years ago. The problem is that today's Islam has a medieval, or worse, world view, and Islam will need to accomodate itself to modernity if Muslims don't want to be considered, and treated as barbarians.
10 posted on 10/25/2001 9:29:03 AM PDT by white trash redneck
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the badly needed corrections to Robert Wright's disinformation.

Unfortunately, I believe Lefties are going to try to set a future agenda which attempts to tie Christianity to Islam's bloodiest excesses by making such flawed and irrelevant comparisons as the author of this piece does here.

11 posted on 10/25/2001 9:31:47 AM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: John H K
Oh, please....the seeming attempts to almost pretend the Old Testament isn't part of Christianity is highly disengenuous.

STRAW MAN ALERT!

I rather enjoyed your use of the words "seeming" and "almost." Nice that you used those qualifiers so that your comment wasn't quite an outright lie.

Notice also how you dwelled on this imaginary non-issue, and failed to address the subject of my post...

Islam vs. Christianity.

12 posted on 10/25/2001 10:08:19 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Post Toasties; ikanakattara; white trash redneck; John H K
" I believe Lefties are going to try to set a future agenda which attempts to tie Christianity to Islam's bloodiest excesses by making such flawed and irrelevant comparisons as the author of this piece does here."

Noting new under the sun...

Remeber during the Cold War, when the moral equivalence Left would rattle on ad nauseum about how Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc,. etc,. etc... didn't represent "true Communism?"

Same thing here with the apologists of Islam on behalf of Khomeini, bin Laden, al Zwahiri, etc.

Evil Empire then...

Evil Religion now.

13 posted on 10/25/2001 10:15:51 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
"...Calvin ruled Geneva roughly as Stalin ruled Russia..."

This statement of Wright's comparing Calvin to a Stalin who ordered the murders of millions of people is a despicable absurdity.

Cordially

14 posted on 10/25/2001 10:22:38 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Diamond
"This statement of Wright's comparing Calvin to a Stalin who ordered the murders of millions of people is a despicable absurdity."

Agreed. It was rather breathtaking.

So many despicable absurdities, so little time.

15 posted on 10/25/2001 10:33:21 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
There is obviously a sense in which the blame-Islam-first crowd is right, and Islam is part of the problem. The attitude of Islamic fundamentalists-an abhorrence of the non-Islamic world-conflicts with the logic of globalization, and, sooner or later, something has to give. But if history is any guide, what will give in the end is reactionary religion, not technological progress. And the result will be, as it has been in the past, the evolution of a more humane, tolerant faith. There is no timeless, immutable essence of Islam, rooted in the Quran, that condemns it to a Medieval morality.

The failure of the Islamic movement is their inability to come to terms with the modern world. Rather, Muslims blindly follow the narrow pieties and slavish submission to inept abstruseness. Instead of advancing with the real world, the Islamic movement has become a barrier to them. The struggle against violence in the Muslim world is much more than a struggle against murdering fanatics like Osama bin Laden or the Taliban. It is also a struggle against the Islamic movement whose vile rhetoric often ends up sanctifying the fanatics and demonizes everything else in the absolutist, unquestioning terms of all totalitarian perspectives.

16 posted on 10/25/2001 11:27:31 AM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Sabertooth
BIM HUGE BUMP for this. You do a lot of work and it is sure worth it. Thank you sooooo much.
17 posted on 10/25/2001 8:47:14 PM PDT by Snow Bunny
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