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My Evolving Theory of ther Atta-Iraq-Anthrax Connection
self | 10-28-01 | WL-law

Posted on 10/28/2001 7:36:38 AM PST by WL-law

My own theory since anthrax first appeared is as follows, building on the accumulated circumstantial evidence:

1) Atta was passed weapons grade anthrax from Iraq during his one-day meeting in Prague.

2) Atta and his team were also given instruction as to how to create a primitive home laboratory so they could use the weapons-grade batch to grow additional batches. I would like any Freepers with biomedical background to confirm/deny whether this is possible and if so, how difficult this might be.

3) This would explain
a) the mysterious one-day meeting,
(b) Atta's subsequent visits to pharmacists for treatmenty of a rash on his hands (caused by caustic agents used in the home lab?) and his associate's visit to a doctor for treatment of persistant bad cold symptoms

4) This would explain the presence of 2 grades of anthrax seen in the aftermath:
(a) a primitve, non-centrifuged grade (The American Media anthrax and other instances) and
(b)one instance of the pure grade (Daschle's office and perhaps others).

5) Atta, once committed to his suicide flight, had no need to save the pure batch -- or else they saved the pure batch for the Senate and perhaps the White House.

6) Atta could have directed associates, still at large, to mail the anthrax one week after the Twin Towers crash.

7) The American Media batch may have been sent before the crash, as a test run. Since Atta lived nearby, perhaps he was observing (perhaps through an associate) to see whether any employees reported sick -- thereby confirming that the strategy would work. This would explain the choice of a near-by target for the trial run.

8) The crop-duster episodes, and Atta's interest in them, was perhaps an alternative strategy if the mail-strategy was a bust.

I suspect others have drawn similar conclusions -- please share.


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1 posted on 10/28/2001 7:36:39 AM PST by WL-law
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To: WL-law
I in no way believe the CIA's bait and switch about it being right wing extremists.
2 posted on 10/28/2001 7:41:34 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: WL-law
Was it ever reported what he was given at the pharmacy to treat his "rash"? Are you implying he contracted cutaneous anthrax? Atta was a busy boy in any case.
3 posted on 10/28/2001 7:41:53 AM PST by NYS_Eric
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To: WL-law
I don't think that you can grow a new batch of weapons-grade. I think you can grow the bacteria, but the spores have to be milled and coated which is something you can't do in an apartment somewhere.

Chances are that it was all provided from Iraq.
4 posted on 10/28/2001 7:43:26 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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I don't think that you can grow a new batch of weapons-grade.

I understand .. but that's why we've seen both home-grown and weapons-grade. They used the latter to grow the former.

6 posted on 10/28/2001 7:50:02 AM PST by WL-law
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To: WL-law
WL-law, indeed, we are on the same page with you. Thanks for putting in a one-two-three description.
7 posted on 10/28/2001 7:51:08 AM PST by zeaal
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To: WL-law
I've seen it discussed that there are three methods for milling and coating anthrax: Soviet, U.S. and Iraqi. They seem to have discounted the Iraqi connection. That this anthrax is treatable with penecillin seems to eliminate a Soviet source because their agent was supposedly bio-engineered to resist penecillin. This leaves as a sinister possibility that this anthrax was stolen from a U.S. lab or stockpile. As to who is disseminating it, there doesn't seem to be anything to eliminate Al Qaeda, who are obviously resourceful; but nothing to positively implicate them either except the knowledge that they are evil and have contacts with Iraqi intelligence.
9 posted on 10/28/2001 7:51:56 AM PST by El Pato Lukas
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To: right_to_defend
The problem with this is that culturing weapons grade anthrax only reproduces the GENETIC information, not the materials science modification, such as the coatings and milling.

see my response above -- maybe my post was not clear on this point. I understand that they couldn't create weapons-grade -- but they could have produced home-lab grade based on culturing the weapons-grade.

10 posted on 10/28/2001 7:52:15 AM PST by WL-law
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To: NYS_Eric
Are you implying he contracted cutaneous anthrax?

Could be that, or could be rash from caustic cleaning agents used in the home-lab, or other ingredients.

11 posted on 10/28/2001 7:53:38 AM PST by WL-law
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Are you implying he contracted cutaneous anthrax? Atta was a busy boy in any case.

If he did contract anthrax it may have steeled his resolve to carry out the hijacking. Because he already was a dead man.

12 posted on 10/28/2001 7:55:03 AM PST by WL-law
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To: WL-law
TRUE STORY

Subject: A Useful historical lesson:

A terrorist pilot, named Atta blew up a bus in Israel in 1986. The Israelis soon captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of the Oslo agreement Israel had to agree to release so called "political prisoners". However, the Israelis would not release any prisoners with "blood on their hands". So a well meaning American President and his Secretary of State insisted that they all be released. Thus Mr. Atta was freed and eventually thanked us-the USA-by flying an AMERICAN airplane into tower one of the world trade center.

This was reported by many of the networks at the time the terrorists were first identified, but it was missing (deleted) from later reports. This "kindly" president was Ronald Reagan and George Schultz was the Secretary of State.

Partisan poltics aside, the importance of this lesson, differentiating between "political prisoners,"--activists for another cause, and "terrorist"--those with the blood of the innocents on their hands, SHOULD NOT BE FORGOTTEN. We have paid dearly in learning this lesson and hopefully we will not repeat the mistake.

Dr. Sheldon Hanft, History Dept., Appalachian State University, Boone,NC 66040--

14 posted on 10/28/2001 7:58:44 AM PST by mcurb
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To: WL-law
Quite plausible and I pray it's true, because larger quantities of Dasche-grade anthrax could kill thousands of Americans.
15 posted on 10/28/2001 8:01:05 AM PST by Thud
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To: mcurb
It's my understanding that this was a different Atta, and note this is a fairly common Arab name. It might be a true story as far as it goes, but assuming it's the same Atta (check the age of the WTC Atta, and the first name, fer cryin' out loud) is a huge mistake, making it nothing more than disiinformation.
16 posted on 10/28/2001 8:02:44 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: WL-law
Also remember that the two ("alleged") terrorists picked up on the Amtrak train in Texas were traveling to visit a Saudi M.D. resident.

The resident was supposedly cleared of involvement, but -- were the terrorists seeking medical treatment 'confidentially' (from similar exposure in a home-lab) from a someone identified as a friendly medical resource? Or perhaps something more sinister?

These are the two 'suspects who were from the NY/NJ area, and had flown out of Newark the morning of 9-11. Recall that they had box cutters in their possession, as well as disguises (wig) and large amount of cash.

17 posted on 10/28/2001 8:02:44 AM PST by WL-law
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To: mcurb
Are you SURE it was the same one? This is the first I've heard of it. The 2001 Atta seems too young to be the 1986 Atta.
18 posted on 10/28/2001 8:07:18 AM PST by Gordian Blade
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To: WL-law
2) Atta and his team were also given instruction as to how to create a primitive home laboratory so they could use the weapons-grade batch to grow additional batches. I would like any Freepers with biomedical background to confirm/deny whether this is possible and if so, how difficult this might be.

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With several hours of instruction and $10,000 worth of equipment it would be much easier than is being argued.

19 posted on 10/28/2001 8:08:55 AM PST by RLK
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To: Gordian Blade
The Reagan Atta was Mahmoud Atta. The WTC Atta was Mohammad Atta. Two different men. Someone's just spreading a pile of...disinformation (to put it politely). And yes, the other one would have had to be lots older.
20 posted on 10/28/2001 8:10:28 AM PST by MizSterious
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