Let's Roll!!!!!!!!!!!

Chapter 004.171 from the Koran

Denying the diety of Jesus

YUSUFALI: O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

PICKTHAL: O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.

SHAKIR: O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only a messenger of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His messengers, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one Allah; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.

As opposed to THIS kind of peace?

Matt 10:34-37 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth! I came not to bring peace, but the sword. For I have come to set a man at odds against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. For a man's enemies shall be his family! He who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me. And he who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

Luke 14:26,33
26 If anyone comes to me, and does not hate his father, his mother, his wife, brothers, and sisters, and even himself, he cannot be my disciple...
33 Similarly, whoever does not abandon all that he has cannot be my disciple.

Seems that FR had a name for democrats that were out to destroy the 'family'.....

And you see a call for violence in what you have posted? Where?

Muhammad = False prophet.

The reference to the sword and all the HATE talk. Doesn't take much to put the two together and figure out what happens!

What is being stated is simply that "One must LOVE Jesus more then your own family." Not hard to understand and true.

Incidentially, what is the opposite of peace???

I had a Muslim roommate in college many years ago. A couple of small observations: (these are not terribly significant, but they do show their mindset)

1. He and his Muslim buddies were obsessed with belittling the United States every chance they got.

2. Muslims hate dogs, which makes them "questionable" to me. A woman who lives in an apartment complex some of the terrorists lived in on Florida's east coast has a small dog and she said that whenever she ran into them, they always teased her dog and threatened it.

turmoil? hostility?

Shadow Report on Algeria

To The Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women

Submitted by: International Women's Human Rights Law Clinic and Women Living Under Muslim Laws

Excerpts from the report:

In particular, women who did not comply with islamist dictates became, and continue to be, the visible symbol of opposition to FIS and thus targets for violence. Consequently, one prominent feminist, Nabila Djahnine, was assassinated by the fundamentalists armed groups.

Other leaders and outspoken feminists, such as Zazi Sadou and Khalida Messaoudi have lived under death threats for several years.

In particular, women who did not comply with islamist dictates became, and continue to be, the visible symbol of opposition to FIS and thus targets for violence. These Algerian feminists thus represent the ultimate challenge to the fundamentalists leadership. . .

It is not only prominent women, however, who are and have been under attack. FIS and its armed groups spread terror through posting or sending communiqués which order women to comply with their dictates under the threat of force or assassination.

One communiqué required women to wear the veil or be killed. A month after the fundamentalist issued this communiqué -- in March of 1994 -- two young women were shot down at a bus station for not wearing a veil. . .

This systematic nature of this practice is chillingly illustrated by a communiqué issued by a local GIA emir (the theological, administrative and military authority of the fundamentalists).

The communiqué claims the rightful authority of the emir to give the women for rape to the mudjahiddin or "fighters of the faith."

The Communique begins: "It is the Emir who gives the woman."

It then instructs them on the "rules" of rape including who may be raped, when and by whom.

For example, it instructs that a mujahid cannot rape both a mother and daughter; and that a father and son cannot both rape the same woman. It also instructs the "fighters" that they may not beat women assigned to other men (implicit of course is that they may beat those assigned to them). . .
Full report click here

This is a chilling site too: The Naked (Hidden) Face of Eve

I wonder what would happen if I posted a thread and called it:

Post all info. you have about Christianity. (Proof it is NOT PEACEFUL)

I'm sure there'd be plenty of evidence to prove Christianity has its fair share blood on its hands, but no one would dare post it. Of course, it might get pulled before anyone could find it anyways.

It's not Christianity.

I came not to bring peace, but the sword.

What is so hard to figure out about that???

Also by YOUR explanation, when we are told to love one another as I have loved you... we have to add a disclaimer, BUT not as much as you love me (Jesus). If Jesus meant that, then why didn't he say it?

There was already a long-standing commandment from GOD to love your brother and your neighbour equally as yourself. But, Jesus wanted something different, something new:

Jesus says (John 13:34),

"A new commandment I give to you: That you all love one another. In the way that I have loved you, you must love one another."

If we are to accept your explanation that the love for a neighbour must always be less than the love for Jesus, then this would become,

"...As I have loved you, that you likewise love one another (as long as you love them less than me)."

This would be consistent with the words of Matthew's Jesus, but it puts Jesus in the unflattering position of loving himself more than others.

Another oddity that arises from the "love me more than them" interpretation is that Jesus was reported elsewhere to have said that the greatest love a man can have is to sacrifice himself for another. This might not leave room for putting Jesus, or even GOD, first.

Care to try again?

How about WAR?

how can someone not love dogs? puppies especially are some of the friendlist and warmest animals that mankind has been blessed with ... "man's best friend" is truly appropriate for this fine species ... beats a snake anyday! lol!

bin laden is promoting it

ozzie ozbourne, should have known you atheist heavy metal freak

I am guessing that your point is not that the other side started this WAR, because then you might be agreeing with the hypothesis of this thread...