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Patriotism ....buy one get one free!

Posted on 11/03/2001 2:57:56 PM PST by robnoel

Not sure what is like around the rest of the country...in the Phoenix area street vendors went from "God Bless America" to " Diamond Backs World Champs" in less than 72 hours...on the way home today passed a vendor with a big sign "Blowout Flag Sale" buy one get one free....what do I make of this....America is in deep doo doo!...which now forces me to say there are a few questions I have that no one can answer ...It also makes clear that the events which have taken place since September 11th are based upon an agenda that has little to do with the attacks.

Allow me to ad this has nothing to do with what political politician you support rather it is answers to questions that I have yet to find answers that ad up!

One wonders how these events could have been ignored by the major media or treated as isolated incidents. Failing that, how could skilled news agencies avoid being outraged, or at least even just a little suspicious?

1. 1998 and 2000 - Former President George H.W. Bush travels to Saudi Arabia on behalf of the privately owned Carlyle Group, the 11th largest defense contractor in the U.S. While there he meets privately with the Saudi royal family and the bin Laden family. [Source: Wall Street Journal, Sept. 27, 2001.– “The Best Enemies Money Can Buy,” -

2. May 2001 – Secretary of State Colin Powell gives $43 million in aid to the Taliban regime, purportedly to assist hungry farmers who are starving since the destruction of their opium crop in January on orders of the Taliban regime. [Source: The Los Angeles Times, May 22, 2001].

3. May, 2001 – Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, a career covert operative and former Navy Seal, travels to India on a publicized tour while CIA Director George Tenet makes a quiet visit to Pakistan to meet with Pakistani leader General Pervez Musharraf. Armitage has long and deep Pakistani intelligence connections and he is the recipient of the highest civil decoration awarded by Pakistan. It would be reasonable to assume that while in Islamabad, Tenet, in what was described as “an unusually long meeting,” also met with his Pakistani counterpart, Lt. General Mahmud Ahmad, head of the ISI. [Source The Indian SAPRA news agency, May 22, 2001.]

5. July, 2001 – Three American officials: Tom Simmons (former U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan), Karl Inderfurth (former Assistant Secretary of State for South Asian affairs) and Lee Coldren (former State Department expert on South Asia), meet with Taliban representatives in Berlin and tell them that the U.S. is planning military strikes against Afghanistan in October. Also present are Russian and German intelligence officers who confirm the threat. [Source: The Guardian, September 22, 2001; the BBC, September 18, 2001.]...yeah I know its liberal left of center news source

5. Summer 2001 - According to a Sept. 26 story in Britain’s The Guardian, correspondent David Leigh reported that, “U.S. department of defense official, Dr. Jeffrey Starr, visited Tajikistan in January. The Guardian’s Felicity Lawrence established that US Rangers were also training special troops in Kyrgyzstan. There were unconfirmed reports that Tajik and Uzbek special troops were training in Alaska and Montana.”

6. Summer 2001 (est.) – Pakistani ISI Chief General Mahmud (see above) orders an aide to wire transfer $100,000 to Mohammed Atta, who was according to the FBI, the lead terrorist in the suicide hijackings. Mahmud recently resigned after the transfer was disclosed in India and confirmed by the FBI. [Source: The Times of India, October 11, 2001.]

7. June 2001 – German intelligence, the BND, warns the CIA and Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists are “planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture.” [Source: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, September 14, 2001.]

9. Summer 2001 – An Iranian man phones U.S. law enforcement to warn of an imminent attack on the World Trade Center in the week of September 9th. German police confirm the calls but state that the U.S. Secret Service would not reveal any further information. [Source: German news agency “online.ie”, September 14, 2001.]

10. August 2001 – The FBI arrests an Islamic militant linked to bin Laden in Boston. French intelligence sources confirm that the man is a key member of bin Laden’s network and the FBI learns that he has been taking flying lessons. At the time of his arrest the man is in possession of technical information on Boeing aircraft and flight manuals. [Source: Reuters, September 13.]

11. Summer 2001 – Russian intelligence notifies the CIA that 25 terrorist pilots have been specifically training for suicide missions. This is reported in the Russian press and news stories are translated for FTW by a retired CIA officer.

12. July 4-14, 2001 – Osama bin Laden receives treatments for kidney disease at the American hospital in Dubai and meets with a CIA official who returns to CIA headquarters on July 15th. [Source: Le Figaro, October 31st, 2001.]

13. August 2001 – Russian President Vladimir Putin orders Russian intelligence to warn the U.S. government “in the strongest possible terms” of imminent attacks on airports and government buildings. [Source: MS-NBC interview with Putin, September 15.]

14. August/September, 2001 – The Dow Jones Industrial Average drops nearly 900 points in the three weeks prior to the attack. A major stock market crash is imminent.

15. Sept. 3-10, 2001 – MS-NBC reports on September 16 that a caller to a Cayman Islands radio talk show gave several warnings of an imminent attack on the U.S. by bin Laden in the week prior to 9/11.

16. September 1-10, 2001 – 25,000 British troops and the largest British Armada since the Falkland Islands War, part of Operation “Essential Harvest,” are pre-positioned in Oman, the closest point on the Arabian Peninsula to Pakistan. At the same time two U.S. carrier battle groups arrive on station in the Gulf of Arabia just off the Pakistani coast. Also at the same time, some 17,000 U.S. troops join more than 23,000 NATO troops in Egypt for Operation “Bright Star.” All of these forces are in place before the first plane hits the World Trade Center. [Sources: The Guardian, CNN, FOX, The Observer, International Law Professor Francis Boyle, the University of Illinois.]

17. September 6-7, 2001 – 4,744 put options (a speculation that the stock will go down) are purchased on United Air Lines stock as opposed to only 396 call options (speculation that the stock will go up). This is a dramatic and abnormal increase in sales of put options. Many of the UAL puts are purchased through Deutschebank/AB Brown, a firm managed until 1998 by the current Executive Director of the CIA, A.B. “Buzzy” Krongard. [Source: The Herzliyya International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism, http://www.ict.org.il/, September 21; The New York Times; The Wall Street Journal.]

18. September 10, 2001 - 4,516 put options are purchased on American Airlines as compared to 748 call options. [Source: ICT – above] 19. September 6-11, 2001 - No other airlines show any similar trading patterns to those experienced by UAL and American. The put option purchases on both airlines were 600% above normal. This at a time when Reuters (September 10) issues a business report stating, “Airline stocks may be poised to take off.”

20. September 6-10, 2001 – Highly abnormal levels of put options are purchased in Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, AXA Re(insurance) which owns 25% of American Airlines, and Munich Re. All of these companies are directly impacted by the September 11 attacks.

21. It has been documented that the CIA, the Israeli Mossad and many other intelligence agencies monitor stock trading in real time using highly advanced programs reported to be descended from Promis software. This is to alert national intelligence services of just such kinds of attacks. Promis was reported, as recently as June, 2001 to be in Osama bin Laden’s possession and, as a result of recent stories by FOX, both the FBI and the Justice Department have confirmed its use for U.S. intelligence gathering through at least this summer. This would confirm that CIA had additional advance warning of imminent attacks. [Sources: The Washington Times,  June 15, 2001; FOX News, October 16, 2001;

22. September 11, 2001 – Gen Mahmud of the ISI (see above), friend of Mohammed Atta, is visiting Washington on behalf of the Taliban. [Source: MS-NBC, Oct. 7.]

23. September 11, 2001, For 35 minutes, from 8:15 AM until 9:05 AM, with it widely known within the FAA and the military that four planes have been simultaneously hijacked and taken off course, no one notifies the President of the United States. It is not until 9:30 that any Air Force planes are scrambled to intercept, but by then it is too late. This means that the National Command Authority waited for 75 minutes before scrambling aircraft, even though it was known that four simultaneous hijackings had occurred – an event that has never happened in history. [Sources: CNN, ABC, MS-NBC, The Los Angeles Times, The New York Times.]

24. September 13, 2001 – China is admitted to the World Trade Organization quickly, after 15 years of unsuccessful attempts. [Source: The New York Times, Sept. 30, 2001.]

25. September 15, 2001 – The New York Times reports that Mayo Shattuck III has resigned, effective immediately, as head of the Alex (A.B) Brown unit of Deutschebank.

26. September 29, 2001 – The San Francisco Chronicle reports that $2.5 million in put options on American Airlines and United Airlines are unclaimed. This is likely the result of the suspension in trading on the NYSE after the attacks which gave the Securities and Exchange Commission time to be waiting when the owners showed up to redeem their put options.

27. October 10, 2001 – The Pakistani newspaper The Frontier Post reports that U.S. Ambassador Wendy Chamberlain has paid a call on the Pakistani oil minister. A previously abandoned Unocal pipeline from Turkmenistan, across Afghanistan, to the Pakistani coast, for the purpose of selling oil and gas to China, is now back on the table “in view of recent geopolitical developments.”

28. Mid October, 2001 – The Dow Jones Industrial Average, after having suffered a precipitous drop has recovered most of its pre-attack losses. Although still weak, and vulnerable to negative earnings reports, a crash has been averted by a massive infusion of government spending on defense programs, subsidies for “affected” industries and planned tax cuts for corporations.

Questions....any answers?


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1 posted on 11/03/2001 2:57:56 PM PST by robnoel
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To: robnoel
I think you have it backwards: you seem to be giving us answers without any questions.

How do you propose we should connect all of these dots?

2 posted on 11/03/2001 3:06:05 PM PST by TexasNative2000
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To: TexasNative2000
Like you brother...I have no clue how to connect the dots ..used to think I could...all I know is ...it is not good no matter which it is...questions or answers :-)
3 posted on 11/03/2001 3:26:57 PM PST by robnoel
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To: robnoel
Item #2 reminded me of the press conference the englishman blair shared with the Isreali prime minister the other day.

Remember when crinton used to wear specific ties to send messages to special friends and all the leftist washington women started wearing the ugly jewelry pieces as a sign of support for the first black president?

I coulda swore that was a poppy in blairs lapel.

Whatever for?

4 posted on 11/03/2001 3:48:23 PM PST by ohmage
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To: alien2
Fill us in ...I have no clue...what is it?
6 posted on 11/03/2001 4:15:46 PM PST by robnoel
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To: alien2
Never mind...that did not take long

A Word About Promis Software

In the Sept, 2000 issue of FTW (Vol III, No 7) we described recent developments in the decades-long saga of the legendary Promis software and this writer's interaction with members of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police's national security section over its current use by various intelligence agencies. Promis (Prosecutor's Management Information System) was specifically reengineered and mated with artificial intelligence during the 1980s for the purpose of tracking terrorists. One of its main strengths was its ability to integrate diverse pieces of data and predict the movement of terrorists based upon financial (e.g. credit card transactions), entries through various border checkpoints, car rentals and airline ticket purchases. This special software, refined and enhanced many times since then, is capable of integrating and coordinating precisely the kind of information described above and then setting off warning bells. We have confirmed many times over that Promis' unique abilities have also been specifically targeted at financial markets to track sudden shifts in currency and stock speculation as well as the laundering of money.

7 posted on 11/03/2001 4:18:35 PM PST by robnoel
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To: robnoel
on the way home today passed a vendor with a big sign "Blowout Flag Sale" buy one get one free....what do I make of this....America is in deep doo doo!...

The guy is just a smart businessman. American flags were VERY HOT items for a awhile, till market saturation. The guy has to keep from losing his ass with merchandise he can't move, because he can now move the 'current' impulse item, Diamondbacks stuff!!

Get a grip!!

8 posted on 11/03/2001 4:25:17 PM PST by Norb2569
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To: Norb2569
Wish that was the reason.....Patriotism my friend is a passing thing for most who wore the red white and blue over the past 8 weeks have never read the Constitution or BOR...not to mention George Washingtons Farewell Address!
10 posted on 11/03/2001 4:46:14 PM PST by robnoel
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To: alien2
Amazing....now the dots are connecting

A HREF="http://www.cjr.org/year/91/6/octopus.asp">THE OCTOPUS FILE by Phil Linsalata

Linsalata is a reporter for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.Joseph Daniel Casolaro's family and friends buried him on August 16. Less than a week later, feeling a little like a vulture, I joined a handful of reporters at Nightline's Washington headquarters to pick over the notes and files left behind by the forty-four-year- old Washington free-lancer known to his friends as Danny.

11 posted on 11/03/2001 4:52:45 PM PST by robnoel
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To: robnoel
Well, what the hell. A bunch of people don't like me anyway. Excellent collection of facts, robnoel.

My opinion is that "we" knew who, what, when, where, and how. Why didn't we stop the attack, then? Political and military advantage. Lucrative defense contracts.

If I'm wrong, then it means we have the most arrogant bunch of mindless fools in key intelligence positions.

12 posted on 11/03/2001 4:53:39 PM PST by Scully
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To: robnoel
I got a free Flag from the Greeley Tribune...
14 posted on 11/03/2001 5:00:05 PM PST by real saxophonist
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To: Scully
I'll take Option B,since er about 1968
15 posted on 11/03/2001 5:04:55 PM PST by Governor StrangeReno
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To: Governor StrangeReno
I would like to think you are right - because that means we have some hope for the future IFF we recruit smart people that can also think.

But...Putin did warn us.

16 posted on 11/03/2001 5:16:24 PM PST by Scully
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To: robnoel
How about this one Rob:

This is why 911 was the day used:

UPDATE: President George H.W. Bush in a speech to Congress on SEPTEMBER 11, 1990,

SAID THIS:

"[The war in Iraq is] a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of
cooperation. Out of these troubled times...a new world order can emerge."
Exactly 11 years later, to the EXACT DAY, the ILLUMINATI ATTACK AMERICA is an obvious
effort to force Americans into the NEW WORLD ORDER. Once again the number 11 appears
paramount, and proves beyond doubt the involvement of the Illuminati. www.truinsight.com

And this one: No Pilots in the planes on 911

17 posted on 11/03/2001 5:17:35 PM PST by It'salmosttolate
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To: robnoel
You have WAY too much time on your hands. Have you considered a hobby? Maybe gardening? Or art?
18 posted on 11/03/2001 5:26:13 PM PST by walden
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To: Scully
I think it was a paradigm shift we moved away from purely fighting commies into ever increasingly manipulating world affairs often making allegiances with undesireables for silly reasons or twisted logic, this combined with an over reliance on technology ;Id bet London to a brick that the CIA is starting with a clean slate in the insitu collaborator or placed field agent stakes, in the interests of national security you often have to deal with the devil but er dir you have to cover 'blowback' scenarios,basically they've been played for fools combined with an overdose of petrol fume policy,they've forgotten how to play chess.
19 posted on 11/03/2001 5:33:17 PM PST by Governor StrangeReno
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To: robnoel
CAPITALISM

CAPITALISM

CAPITALISM

CAPITALISM

CAPITALISM

CAPITALISM

CAPITALISM

20 posted on 11/03/2001 5:40:55 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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