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Is Your Internet Service Provider Spying on You?
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Posted on 11/04/2001 1:54:13 PM PST by Asmodeus

2 November 2001
Is Your Internet Service Provider Spying on You?
By Robyn Weisman, www.NewsFactor.com
U.S. Patriot Act

How valid are privacy concerns over the new anti-terrorist spy laws passed by the United States? Will the new laws translate into perpetual, and indiscriminate, electronic surveillance by law enforcement? Will logging on through one's Internet service provider (ISP) mean that one has logged on to Big Brother?

These questions have been percolating since October 26th, when President Bush signed the "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001," otherwise known as the USA PATRIOT Act.

Despite its awkward name, the act provides law enforcement and intelligence agencies with greatly expanded powers, ostensibly to aid them in fighting terrorism.

Modern Monitoring
Included in the legislation are provisions allowing law enforcement -- for the first time -- to monitor e-mail and other types of online communications. The new law replaces legislation that "was written in the era of rotary telephones," President Bush noted at the bill's signing ceremony.

"As of today, we'll be able to better meet the technological challenges posed by this proliferation of communications technology," Bush said.

Bush added that these provisions were integral to the USA PATRIOT Act because "we're dealing with terrorists who operate by highly sophisticated methods and technologies. The bill takes account of the new realities and dangers posed by modern terrorists [and] will help law enforcement identify, dismantle, disrupt, and punish terrorists before they strike."

Privacy Concerns: Justified?
However, the provisions deeply concern privacy advocates, who say they make it possible for snooping technologies like the FBI (news - web sites)'s DCS1000 (better known as Carnivore) to be used indiscriminately on anyone using an Internet connection, and not just on those under suspicion for criminal acts.

When asked whether the USA PATRIOT Act would cause law enforcement and intelligence agencies to start monitoring the activities of all Internet users, Bill Malik, vice-president and research area director of the information security group at Gartner, told NewsFactor Network that "in a sense, they already are."

When someone signs up for service with an ISP, that person "has to support its terms of service," Malik said. "How do you know I'm sending out all those e-mails unless you [monitor] my level of activity?"

Added Malik: "Don't think it's going to be as simple as they're all going to be spying on us. [The new legislation] lowers thresholds of levels of activities as 'probable cause' to search for a warrant, strengthen guidelines, and establish a level playing field."

Surveillance Limited
Michael Rasmussen, a senior industry analyst for enterprise security at Giga Information Group, told NewsFactor that there's a limit to how much government agencies can monitor Internet activity because of the amount of data generated.

"You can't keep records of all the traffic on the Internet," said Rasmussen. "It's just not feasible. It dwarfs phone calls in comparison. With a phone call there's one connection, [while] a Web site might equal 20 different connections."

Freedom Not Absolute
Gartner analyst Malik said that many people confuse the concepts of freedom and liberty, adding that while the First Amendment protects freedom of expression and the Fourth Amendment protects privacy, neither amendment is or ever has been absolute.

No one can shout "Fire!" in a public place or tell someone to hand over their money, and then claim First Amendment protection, Malik pointed out. He added that America's overriding concern is actually liberty rather than freedom, defining liberty as freedom tempered by just laws.

"If you're exchanging e-mails on how to build bombs and are teaching someone how to build bombs, that speech should not be protected," Malik said.

"The most finely-tuned FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency (news - web sites)) organization in the world [cannot compete] with what could have been done had the same information been intercepted before [a terrorist act] could happen."


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1 posted on 11/04/2001 1:54:13 PM PST by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
Anyone can spy on me. I get email ads for everything from female Viagra to attempts to get me to mortgage my house because there are programs available that enable people to tell when I'm on the net. The government presumable can obtain the same programs.
2 posted on 11/04/2001 2:13:49 PM PST by RLK
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To: Asmodeus
"..."If you're exchanging e-mails on how to build bombs and are teaching someone how to build bombs, that speech should not be protected," Malik said..."

If you're exchanging information like this in a way that the fumble-feds can manage to intercept it you probably deserve to be waylaid for it.

3 posted on 11/04/2001 2:13:50 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: Asmodeus
Well, if Earthlink is spying on me. They would see that I spend 99% of my online time on Free Republic.
5 posted on 11/04/2001 2:21:44 PM PST by SolitaryMan
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To: SolitaryMan
Same here, the government or my ISP can spy on me for all I care but they might as well just come directly to FR and save themselves the bother. They just wouldn't "get" most of my email because my family is weird.
6 posted on 11/04/2001 2:45:01 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Asmodeus
Speaking of ISP's what is a good one. I have aol, but I am thinking about getting a new one. Any thoughts ?
7 posted on 11/04/2001 2:49:56 PM PST by the_rightside
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To: SolitaryMan
Well, if Earthlink is spying on me..

ditto....

Actually, I think (and it might have changed) that Earthlink is one of the better ISP's in the privacy arena.

8 posted on 11/04/2001 2:54:10 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Asmodeus
"...If you're exchanging e-mails on how to build bombs and are teaching someone how to build bombs, that speech should not be protected..."

Am I the only one bothered by this comment? This is to suggest that information itself, derived to two or more private persons, is somehow justly subject to restriction. I totally disagree with this. In fact, I think it's crazy. Sharing ideas has nothing to do with behavior. This country is getting real scary because if you think such restrictions will stop with discussion of bomb making you are hopelessly naiive...
9 posted on 11/04/2001 3:01:43 PM PST by ableChair
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To: the_rightside
There are loads of excelent ISPs available, you just have to find a good one that is reasonable (AOL is far from reasnonable and is probably the worst provider there is) and has toll free access numbers for your area.

I use Internet Express (ixpres.com) and they have given me excelent service for the last 5 years at $156/year or $12.92/month for unlimited service.

10 posted on 11/04/2001 3:02:08 PM PST by dalereed
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To: the_rightside
This may be a little too techie for some people, but 99% of this surveillance and privacy violation garbage can be circumvented by getting a static ip with someone like telocity (telocity.com) dsl and running your *own* email, web and dns servers. Just bypass these isp services. It's what I do. If fact, there is really no justification at all for these services being handled by isp's when the user can do it with one-touch software ease. It's just another way they get into your business.
11 posted on 11/04/2001 3:05:32 PM PST by ableChair
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To: FITZ
LOL....My husband just said the same thing today about my family. We have been married for 22 years and he still doesn't know what we are talking about when we all get together. He says "good luck" to the feds.
12 posted on 11/04/2001 3:08:14 PM PST by Ima Lurker
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To: Asmodeus
Well if they are they have a pretty good idea just how much I hate the clintons and their lowlife scummy cohorts in the media.
13 posted on 11/04/2001 3:08:15 PM PST by OldFriend
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To: the_rightside
"Speaking of ISP's what is a good one. I have aol, but I am thinking about getting a new one. Any thoughts ?

If you have a second phone for your computer and are paying $22 per month for AOL, you're already up to about $40 monthly. It would pay you to get rid of the extra phone and AOL and get cable broadband for $39 per month. You won't be sorry. What takes 20 minutes to download now will take 10 to 20 seconds via broadband.

15 posted on 11/04/2001 3:20:26 PM PST by Harrison Bergeron
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To: Asmodeus
I really don't care. I've never thought the internet was all that private to start with.

Are you "Asmo" from Roger's chat in San Diego? I'm "surfer." Hi :)

16 posted on 11/04/2001 3:21:52 PM PST by Terrorista Nada
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To: SolitaryMan
Well, if Earthlink is spying on me. They would see that I spend 99% of my online time on Free Republic.

It's that 1% that we're.....not.....too...sure about, Comrade...

17 posted on 11/04/2001 3:28:23 PM PST by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Terrorista Nada
That's exactly right. On the internet, not only can they tell that you're a dog, but with a few clicks they can find out the day and place where you were neutered.
18 posted on 11/04/2001 3:32:31 PM PST by Equality 7-2521
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To: Asmodeus
Sure, they try! Answer is zone alarm.
19 posted on 11/04/2001 3:34:36 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: SolitaryMan
"Well, if Earthlink is spying on me. They would see that I spend 99% of my online time on Free Republic."

We Earthlink FReepers are a seditious lot, aren't we? LOL! They can look all they want. They'll see a bunch of prayers, funny photos, and a coupla scientific papers I'm working on. Have a blast trying to stay awake through all of that, fellas!

20 posted on 11/04/2001 3:40:49 PM PST by LeeMcCoy
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