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Hersh Stands By Report, Says Delta Force Sending A Message To Superiors
Drudge Report ^ | 11.06.01 | Matt Drudge

Posted on 11/06/2001 7:57:23 AM PST by callisto

Tue Nov 06 2001 10:58:23 ET

Seymour Hersh, who penned a NEW YORKER article this week in which he reported on a "troubled" Special Forces raid in southern Afghanistan, took to CNN last night to defend his work.

Hersh said, "The operation was much too big. It was too bulky, and instead of going in like Delta likes to operate -- use small units, four to six men going in, and, you know, these are guys that, you know, they crawl around in the jungle or whatever, with figuratively, knives between their teeth, and they are very tough. They're very competent." Rather, the "mission was laid on like General Motors coming to, you know, to the Afghan war. Sort of as we did in Vietnam. We had 16 helicopter gunships prep the area. 200 Rangers came in advance to serve as a blocking force. And then a hundred Delta Force, a reinforced squadron they call it." Hersh tells CNN's Judy Woodruff:

"But the operation was "noisy. It was slow. By the time they got through the house, where they found nothing, and came out, they were counterattacked. And there was a heavy -- a very pitched battle, so I'm told. It was a mess, so I'm told. And there were 12 casualties, three seriously, nine, most of them from shrapnel." It was "just a debacle. A near disaster, I wrote." Asked about Pentagon denials of heavy opposing fire, Hersh said, "These are very honorable people. And I don't think it really matters -- I'm talking about General Meyers and General Franks, and the Admiral [John Shufflebeem]. I don't want to get into a war of words or shading of meaning.

Whatever they say publicly, I hope privately they fix it. . Delta Force doesn't deal with reporters very often. The reason I learned about it is, they were upset about what happened. This isn't the way you run Delta Force. You can't have this kind of big scale operation. And so, they're throwing a message over the fence, to the leadership, really, through me.

It doesn't matter what they say publicly as long as they fix it in private." Hersh added the US put in "quick call to the Brits, and some special British air commandos came in a few weeks right after that, I think the 21st or 22nd, we made a call for help.

And British commandos are there now and they're trying to work out a different way of operating. The British want to go in big. Set up a firebase in the middle of Taliban territory and saying, hey, we're here, come and get us."

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1 posted on 11/06/2001 7:57:23 AM PST by callisto
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To: callisto
General Hersh, sir, SHUT UP!
2 posted on 11/06/2001 7:59:51 AM PST by dighton
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To: callisto
Seymour's spinning. Caught in his fiction, seeing his credibility slipping away. I hope his BS is further revealed...
3 posted on 11/06/2001 8:01:52 AM PST by eureka!
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To: callisto
I don't want to get into a war of words or shading of meaning. - A bit convenient - no?
4 posted on 11/06/2001 8:04:32 AM PST by VoodooEconomics
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To: callisto
Hersh's source(s) should be retired.
5 posted on 11/06/2001 8:05:59 AM PST by Praxeologue
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To: callisto
Yeah, the Delta Force decided that, instead of telling their superiors in person, they'd use "respected" Flight 800 fantasist Seymour Hersh as a conduit to tell the public their mission was a flop. I'll buy that, though thousands wouldn't.
6 posted on 11/06/2001 8:06:36 AM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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To: eureka!
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Franks said this weekend that no TALIBAN shot anybody, but that doesnt mean there wasnt any accidental shooting by friendly fire. If you read Black Hawk Down, it talks about these big noisy missions that Delta guys hate, and was the reason 18 boys dies in Mogadishu. It sounds like they're pulling the same crap all over again here in Aghanistan, and our boys are not liking it at all.
7 posted on 11/06/2001 8:07:02 AM PST by Kale
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Good point, however, see number 6 which makes a lot of sense. Methinks Hersh is talking to cold sources and his defensiveness here is quite telling. Oh, to really know...
8 posted on 11/06/2001 8:10:23 AM PST by eureka!
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To: VoodooEconomics
I'm talking about General Meyers and General Franks, and the Admiral [John Shufflebeem]. I don't want to get into a war of words or shading of meaning.

Both General Meyers and General Franks categorically denied enemy inflicted casualties.

No shading in their denials.

9 posted on 11/06/2001 8:11:20 AM PST by bigdog
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To: callisto
Whatever they say publicly, I hope privately they fix it.

Those are my sentiments exactly.

10 posted on 11/06/2001 8:13:08 AM PST by Illbay
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To: callisto
Caught in a lie, the Joe Isuzu of the press figures the best way to go is to EXPAND the lie. 200 Rangers, SIXTEEN helos? I .... don't .... think .... so.

I don't know how many men we have on the ground in A'stan, but considering their relatively small numbers, I cannot conceive of putting 200 of them in one place.

Michael

11 posted on 11/06/2001 8:14:09 AM PST by Wright is right!
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To: callisto
Looks like Chicken Noodle News has found their new Arnett.
12 posted on 11/06/2001 8:14:33 AM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: callisto
"they crawl around in the jungle or whatever, with figuratively, knives between their teeth,

Does anyone think that Andy Rooney will pounce on this and insist that Hersh is an idiot, because there are no jungles in Afghanistan, the way he ranted on about Bush speaking metaphorically about "safe harbors" in a landlocked country?

I'm not holding my breath.

BTW--Is it true that the barometric pressure in Judy Woodruff's skull is so low that she experiences her own personal hurricanes?

13 posted on 11/06/2001 8:15:30 AM PST by Yankee
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I never, never never imagined I would think this odious thought, much less type it--but, it's too bad Pig Eye isn't still defiling the Oval Office because only then, apparently, would some conservatives put on their thinking caps and apply their critical thinking skills to this Thing we're doing in the Afghanistan Banana-stand.
14 posted on 11/06/2001 8:15:30 AM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: bigdog
I can't believe those guys would shoot their mouths off.
15 posted on 11/06/2001 8:16:24 AM PST by Thebaddog
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To: eureka!
What credibility?

Hersh creates more horse manure than the average dude ranch.

16 posted on 11/06/2001 8:17:17 AM PST by Yankee
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To: Kale
Based on your summary of Blackhawk Down, you never read the book.
17 posted on 11/06/2001 8:17:47 AM PST by Rokke
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To: bigdog
I believe it's clear that Hersh got caught blowing smoke. He is quoting no one who was there. No active member of Delta is going to throw a message over the wall. What garbage.
18 posted on 11/06/2001 8:19:15 AM PST by toddst
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To: callisto
All reporters report news. To get noticed, they have to report bad news. In my limited dealings with reporters, I have noticed that they will stick with the bad news despite contrary evidence.
19 posted on 11/06/2001 8:19:27 AM PST by SolitaryMan
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Hersh tells CNN's Judy Woodruff: Those two names together tell ya all ya need ta know to hit the ignore button ... one's a leftist and the other is a liberal, so stupid that she has to pretend to be a reporter to get her fix of importance. The military person at the top said twelve casualties were none due to enemy fire. If a fake seal were to give Hersh an interview that the commie liked, he'd publish a story of the authenticity, and if called on it would claim if it wasn't all authenticated it was never the less true because the administration hasn't refuted it! Hersh needs to live in Afghanistancan, closer to his beloved chicoms.
20 posted on 11/06/2001 8:20:07 AM PST by MHGinTN
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