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Former NTSB Official Doubts Accident Caused Flt. 587 Crash
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| 11/12/01
| Carl Limbacher
Posted on 11/12/2001 7:40:57 PM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
Monday Nov. 12, 2001; 11:34 p.m. EST
Former NTSB Official Doubts Accident Caused Flt. 587 Crash
Aviation expert and former National Transportation & Safety Board official Vernon Grose said late Monday that he's increasingly skeptical that the crash of American Airlines Flight 587 was purely accidental.
"I am backing away from the ready idea that this is simply an accident," Grose told Fox News Channel's John Scott.
The veteran air crash prober said that he questions the sequence in which the plane broke up over Jamaica Bay before slamming into a residential area in Rockaway, Queens.
"Photographs you've already shown tonigt (indicate) the vertical stabilizer of the aircraft with the American Airlines insignia right on it (fell into) Jamaica Bay long before the engine falls off in Queens," he told Scott.
Grose said that if the vertical stabilizer detached from Flt. 587 over Jamaica Bay, which the plane traversed before plummeting to the ground in Rockaway, it suggested that catastrophic engine failure alone may not have caused the crash.
"No, I don't think that's the situation at all," he told FNC.
"The engine that came free, which apparently was the number 1 left engine, and crashed on land - that was well after the vertical stabilizer was detached from the aircraft and that tells me that somehow..... that the airplane was progressively disintegrating, not just losing an engine and then diving into the ground."
"Earlier today I thought it was simply the loss of an engine that caused this," Grose told FNC. "But I'm not convinced now.... I am becoming more skeptical."
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Grose presents what I believe to be a logical argument.
To: Freedom of Speech Wins
Now if this wasn't from newsmax.com I would believe it.
To: Freedom of Speech Wins
Vern is a personal friend and a smart man. I can see why they brought him out of semi-retirement! I'll be interested to see what he comes up with.
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
Something smells.
The NTSB held a news conference/update tonight and CBC Newsworld covered it live around 10:30 EST.
CTV NewsNet also carried it live.
CNN did not. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't 'that' what CNN does? Carries stuff like that live? Especially stuff like that?
Instead, CNN ran a 10 second soundbite of the NTSB Chair claiming all evidence points to an accident (or) no evidence of sabotage.
Am I losing my mind?
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posted on
11/12/2001 7:47:31 PM PST
by
Stevieboy
To: Freedom of Speech Wins
True, that verticle stabilizer is the odd thing in this. Maybe the engine started to disinigrate and a piece of it shot out and cut off the stabilizer in mid flight before it fell off, that even seems a little far fetched though considering the proximity of the engines and the stabilizer.
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posted on
11/12/2001 7:47:39 PM PST
by
Husker24
To: Freedom of Speech Wins
"Earlier today I thought it was simply the loss of an engine that caused this," Grose told FNC. "But I'm not convinced now.... I am becoming more skeptical." Grose presents what I believe to be a logical argument.
You got that right. Perhaps Mr Gross should consider that it was both the loss of an engine and the vertical stablizer that caused this trouble. Unless the thing just blew up, the conspiracy theories pieced together based on the sequence of how it came apart is just bunk.
To: Freedom of Speech Wins
Exactly.... Mmmmm...let's see...out of New York, early morning (9AM), Veteran's Day (holiday), American Airlines... We may never hear the truth on this one but something is fishy at JFK.....or is JFK cursed (sarcasm)
To: Husker24
True, that verticle stabilizer is the odd thing in this. Maybe the engine started to disinigrate and a piece of it shot out and cut off the stabilizer in mid flight before it fell off, that even seems a little far fetched though considering the proximity of the engines and the stabilizer.
The loss of the vertical stablizer I think only points to some sort of mechanical accident. Its so unlikely to find that as a place a bomb would or could be planted.
To: Freedom of Speech Wins
I feel that he makes a rational arguement as well, but what impresses me more is the mad rush to solve this case within moments of it's occurance. We're hardly twelve hours along and the pundits are cranking out the theories faster than we can post them.
To: ChicagoRepublican
Sabatoge, maybe. I want to know the backgrounds of all persons who worked on the engine Nov. 11., specifically their country(s) of origin.
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posted on
11/12/2001 7:50:51 PM PST
by
onyx
To: onyx
I want to know the backgrounds of all persons who worked on the engine Nov. 11., specifically their country(s) of origin.
Sadly you're right...
To: Stevieboy
That NTSB press conference was the most uninforming thing I have ever seen on TV, they said absolutely nothing except basically that terrorists didnt take over the plane. Well duh! what were they going to do crawl out on the wing and loosen the engine mounts.
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posted on
11/12/2001 7:52:17 PM PST
by
Husker24
To: Husker24
I agree, the NTSB update was painfully boring but I repeat, isn't 'that' exactly the type of stuff CNN gets aroused over?
To: Angus_Day
800 was a missile attack...you were right...what do you think on this one?
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posted on
11/12/2001 7:57:53 PM PST
by
Keith
To: Freedom of Speech Wins
I don't believe "the plane just kinda fell apart, right there in the sky".
I think it was taken down, one way or another.
The pilot nor the plane volenteered!
To: Freedom of Speech Wins
One of the things that bothers me is that the pilot had time to dump fuel, but the tower said that they had no indication that anything was wrong before it went down. If the pilot had the time to dump fuel, I assume the pilot could have told the tower that there was something wrong. I might be missing some facts or some information may not have come out yet, so I'm not going to jump to any conclusions.
To: Freedom of Speech Wins
When you are at war and a plane goes down with an explosion, you might start by blamming the enemy.
This wimpy notion that we should not be mad at the enemy makes me FREEKING puke. I guess I am not a red blooded American because I have not made sure that my childern have Muslim pen pals.
This is no way to manage the morale during war time. I am outraged at the enemy and we remain so until they are vanquished. Forget this idea of bringing them to justice. That sounds like a FREEKING trial by jury with the ACLU watching out for their rights. NO NO NO. I want them vanquished.
These last few days were a disaster for the Taliban. Why wont Bush use our victories to boost morale through the roof.
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posted on
11/12/2001 8:01:14 PM PST
by
mcollins
To: Husker24
Sorry, but if something broke off and hit the stabilizer it does not mean it would have sheared it off the plane. In fact, look at the pictures. It looks like the stabilizer was torn off the plane, but if it was caused by being hit by something it would have left damage to it, don't you think? Dents at a minimum. I just don't see that.
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posted on
11/12/2001 8:01:43 PM PST
by
MistyCA
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