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Report: Co-Pilot Over-Stressed Rudder Federal safety officials say pilot error caused a 2001 American Airlines crash that killed 265 people. The National Transportation Safety Board said the copilot of Flight 587 moved the rudder back and forth several times, putting so much stress on the tail that it snapped off. The plane plummeted into a New York neighborhood shortly after takeoff. An NTSB investigator said the copilot's reaction to turbulence was "unnecessary and aggressive." He also said the airline improperly trained its pilots to use the plane's rudder to recover from upsets. The jet's rudder control system is sensitive at...

NEW YORK — The crash of American Airlines Flight 587 in a quiet residential neighborhood nearly five years ago is subject to general maritime laws, a judge ruled Tuesday, allowing potentially higher damages for dozens of people who sued. U.S. District Judge Robert W. Sweet said it did not matter that the plane crashed on land in Queens, killing 260 people on the plane and five on the ground. He noted that the plane was on a 1,500-mile transoceanic flight to the Dominican Republic. "There can be no question that, but for the development of air travel, this trip —...

NTSB Maintains New Rudder Worry Not Related To 2001 Flight ANN REALTIME UPDATE: 04.17.06 1800EST: In response to the urging by members of the Allied Pilots Association to reopen its investigation into the November 12, 2001 downing of American Airlines Flight 587, the National Transportation Safety Board said Tuesday its recent warnings of a specific kind of problem with Airbus A300 and A310 aircraft does not affect the board's determination that the 2001 accident was caused by the pilot moving the rudder too aggressively. "The scenarios are different. What we noted in our recommendation letter in March did not...

AVIATION investigators were examining a security camera video tape yesterday which appeared to have caught the break-up of the American Airlines Airbus A300 which crashed over New York on Monday as inquiries continued to focus on the failure of the tail section. A National Transport Safety Board official in Washington said evidence was growing that the complete tail section had broken off in flight before the engines, making the jet uncontrollable. He added that there "doesn't appear to have been sabotage in any way". Large sections of the tail and rudder assembly, made of lightweight non-metal graphite composites, have ...

NEW YORK - Scores of families gathered in a seaside neighborhood Saturday to observe the fourth anniversary of one of the nation's deadliest airline disasters. The crash of American Airlines Flight 587 on a quiet residential block in the Belle Harbor section of Queens killed 265 people — including five on the ground — on Nov. 12, 2001, at a time when the city was still reeling from the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center. "It feels like yesterday," said Juan Reyes, 19, of the Bronx, who lost his father in the crash. "It happened four years ago, but...

AA Flight 587: Terrorism, Sabotage or Accident? Devvy Kidd November 26, 2001 I am not a person who has visions, predicts the future or anything like that. Once in a while, like a lot of people, I get "feelings" about certain things, like when the phone rings and you know who's on the other end. After several of us involved with Bob Schulz' IRS hearings and the 'Ghosts of the Revolution' threat which specified that effective 1 September 2001, the "rules of engagement" would change and violence against IRS personnel and facilities would occur, I kinda was waiting to ...

Saturday, Nov. 17, 2001 11:39 a.m. EST Flight 587 Video Shows 'Puff of Smoke' in Sky A second-by-second videotape of the final moments of doomed American Airlines Flight 587 shows a puff of smoke in the sky seconds after it crashed outside New York's JFK Airport Monday, lending credence to eyewitnesses who say the jetliner exploded before slamming into a Rockaway, N.Y., neighborhood. Though Flight 587 probers have not released the key videotape, shot from a Metropolitan Transportation Authority highway surveillance camera, reporters from New York's Daily News were allowed to view it Friday. "The tape ... shows a white ...

Just two days after the FBI said it was investigating witness accounts that American Airlines Flt. 587 exploded in midair before it broke apart over New York's Jamaica Bay on Monday, NTSB investigators are pushing the theory that air turbulence from another jetliner -- and not any explosion -- caused the crash that scattered wreckage covering a half mile wide area. "We are consistently looking for any sign of sabotage and not finding any," said NTSB spokeswoman Marion Blakely on Wednesday. "There is no evidence of any bomb, of any sabotage, at this point." That's not what the investigators were ...

A golden retriever dog is recovering from burns to its paws after it tried to rescue his master from a burning house that was hit by the plane crash in Queens. The Suffolk County Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals is treating the dog - called Dakota. The S-P-C-A says Frank Pomponio was sleeping upstairs when the plane hit Monday morning. His wife and daughter who were downstairs were able to escape with the dog. But the dog ran back into the burning house looking for its master. The S-P-C-A says the dog was forced back out by ...

American Airlines Flight 587 fishtailed violently after being buffeted twice by turbulence from another jet shortly before crashing, the plane's data recorder indicates. The new data raises the possibility that the crew, responding to turbulence, hit the rudder unusually hard, creating excessive stress on the tail fin that may have contributed to it breaking off. After the plane twice hit wake turbulence from a Boeing 747, the rudder jerked the Airbus A300-600 sharply left twice, then right. The aircraft then began turning sharply left and diving, probably when the tail fin broke off and the plane went out of control. ...

A videotape that could show exactly what happened to American Airlines Flight 587, which crashed three minutes after taking off from New York's JFK airport on Monday, is in the hands of the FBI -- but the bureau has thus far declined to release it. New York City's Metropolitan Transportation Authority spokesman Tom Kelly confirmed to the Daily News Friday that the agency has given surveillance videotapes from Cross Bay Blvd. and Marine Parkway bridges to the FBI. "One tape captures the plane taking off from JFK," the News said. Cross Bay Blvd. and Marine Parkway traverse Jamaica Bay, where ...

American Airlines Flight 587 Belle Harbor, New York November 12, 2001 Vertical Stabilizer and components of aircraft recovered from the water Vertical stabilizer (tail fin) attachment point Piece of rudder One of the forward attachment points Vertical stabilizer Right side forward and center attachment points Left forward attachment point Images from the main wreckage site NTSB investigator at crash site Center and aft attachment points (left side) 1 center and 2 aft attachment points      Tail section of aircraft Forward attachment points of fin (attached to empennage)

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The engines powering ill-fated American Airlines Flight 587 continued to run after the crew reported that it was having problems controlling the Airbus A300, investigators said on Wednesday night. The National Transportation Safety Board also said that investigators had found the plane's maintenance log book amid the wreckage in Queens, and said it did not raise any red flags about its service record. The updated information about the two huge General Electric CF6-series engines came from more detailed analysis of the plane's cockpit voice recorder, which picks up crew conversations and a range of other aircraft ...

The victims of American Airlines Flight 587 and their families deserve our deepest sympathy and prayers. But compassion must not override vigilance. Our resolve to enforce immigration laws in the wake of Sept. 11 must not be weakened. According to the Associated Press, several crash relatives who are in this country illegally want amnesty so they can bury their loved ones in the Dominican Republic and then be allowed to return to the U.S. "Anguished families are torn between claiming a victim and jeopardizing their ability to stay in their adopted country,'' said Hispanic community leader Fernando Mateo. One illegal ...

<p>Information from the last 28 seconds of the flight data recorder aboard Flight 587 according to NTSB reports.</p>

By Patrick Markey NEW YORK (Reuters) - A JetBlue Airways pilot waiting for take-off at John F. Kennedy International Airport saw the American Airlines flight that crashed on Monday as it fell from the sky accompanied by smoke and a smaller piece of the aircraft, according to an internal report. The pilot told the JetBlue officials that in its final moments American Airlines Flight 587 appeared to be in a very steep descent, falling nose down at about 80 degrees in a spiral dive. Before it exploded on impact, the aircraft was accompanied by the smaller piece above and to ...

This is Bull $h!t!!! The NTSB is LYING like rugs!!! NTSB dude just claimed that .3 to .8 g's encountered during the wake encounter caused the Airbus to break up in flight... Even a male reported asked "is this even possible". "Isn't this normal bumping encountered when flying?" Even the media don't believe them!!!!!

Up until now, my best guess as to the cause of the 587 crash was defective/substandard bolts used in attaching the vertical stabilizer to the tail and a failure to detect the problem through inspections.However, I heard on the news last night that the vertical stabilizer was not fabricated from aluminium, but from a carbon fiber composite. This material is very strong and light but can fail catastrophically if a stress fracture/crack develops. Based on the photos of the recovered stabilizer showing that it was cleanly severed from the tail, I now believe that this is the most likely cause ...

A major factor in the destruction of American Airlines Flight 587 may prove to be something called flutter — one of the most dreaded bugaboos of flight, experts said yesterda Flutter is a vibration so violent it can render an aircraft uncontrollable. In tandem with structural flaws, flutter can conceivably rip off a plane's tail. "Flutter is the demon of all aviation," said Chuck Leonard, a former National Transportation Safety Board investigator. "Once you get flutter, there's going to be damage done." NTSB investigators probing Monday's crash in the Rockaways said yesterday that they are focusing on the tail section ...

Tail, Turbulence Emerge As Keys To Flight 587 Disaster By Sean Broderick/AviationNow.com 14-Nov-2001 10:24 PM U.S. EST Detailed analysis of American Airlines Flight 587's cockpit voice recorder revealed that both engines were running when pilots lost control, providing the strongest clue yet that something besides an engine failure -- such as an aerodynamic upset, structural failure, or both -- triggered the plane's fatal descent. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Investigator-In-Charge George Black said that a sound spectrum analysis of the recorder revealed that &quot;the engine signatures extend past the start of the loss-of-control event.&quot; The revelation, made during a ...

'I Know What I Saw...That Was No Mechanical Problem...No Way!' By Peter Gelzinis BostonHerald.com 11-13-1 ROCKAWAY BEACH, NY -"I will never believe it was an accident. They'll never convince me of that." Eugene Sanfilippo kept looking past the microphones and notebooks, down 131st Street toward Jamaica Bay and a vision that the rest of us could not see. It was past three in the afternoon, the sky above this sliver of Queens was clear, but all this lanky, 45-year-old bus mechanic could see was a huge orange ball of flame; he could still feel the unbearable heat; he could ...

As work continued into the night on reading the plane's flight data recorder, investigators late Tuesday revealed several new clues about the crash of American Airlines Flight 587, but the information merely deepened the mystery of what caused the accident. With both of the Airbus A300-600's engines and its vertical stabilizer coming down before the rest of the airplane, early accident-related speculation was on a catastrophic engine failure that triggered collateral structural damage. But investigators have found nothing that backs such a scenario, and the near-pristine condition of the tail pieces indicates that something besides debris caused them to ...

<p>WASHINGTON -- Safety records show the American Airlines plane that crashed in New York was severely shaken by air turbulence seven years earlier in an episode that injured 47 people.</p> <p>One possibility safety investigators are considering is that the Airbus A300 broke apart Monday after hitting turbulence from the plane taking off before it at Kennedy International Airport.</p>

Flight 587 from New York to Santa Domingo had just taken off and was arcing into the clear autumn sky when the co-pilot, Sten Molin, felt a violent shaking. What followed was the final 37 seconds for all 260 people on board, revealed in chilling detail by the cockpit voice-recorder of the airliner that speared into a New York suburb on Monday. The American Airlines A300 Airbus had been aloft for just 1 minute 47 seconds when the flight recorder captured what had startled First Officer Molin - described by investigators as an "airframe rattling noise". Seven seconds later, ...

By Don Phillips and Michael Powell Washington Post Staff Writers Wednesday, November 14, 2001; Page A01 NEW YORK, Nov. 13 -- The pilots and crew of American Airlines Flight 587 lost any chance of survival within seconds Monday as the plane shuddered and rattled, possibly hit the wake of another plane flying ahead, lost both engines and its tail fin and went into a spiraling dive, according to information released today by the National Transportation Safety Board. Briefings and interviews throughout the day indicated that the board has assembled an unusual amount of information for this early in an investigation: ...

This entire series of posts and threads on the loss of the AA flight is an amazing display of 2001 sociology. If we thought the internet was going to change people’s commercial activities but not our core behaviors and underlying thought process, we were certainly wrong. Many of us have been following the crash aftermath here in FR. This is not an indictment or criticism of any one poster, not will this post attack anyone. It will ask the question, who are these internet people, and what are we all becoming because oft hem. Even more, it is certainly not ...

<p>Federal investigators said yesterday the co-pilot of doomed American Airlines Flight 587 called for "max power" four seconds after the frame of his A300 Airbus was rattled twice, possibly by the wake of a larger plane.</p> <p>Nineteen seconds later, both engines and the tail inexplicably began tearing free of the plane, which had just taken off for Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, from John F. Kennedy International Airport. The pieces and the rest of the aircraft began falling in a straight line down into the ground. All 260 persons aboard were killed, as apparently were five persons missing from homes that the plane hit.</p>

One of the battered and dented 'black box' flight recorders from American Airlines flight 587 lies on the ground beside a New York City police car as it is taken from the scene of the crash by an FBI agent I noted the 2 black boxes were battered and BLACK. While reading a thread on this site re the BLACK BOXES from NYC on Sept 11..someone posted a link showing the NEW BLACK BOXES in use since 1991 or so... problem they were Bright Orange and Cylindical in shape...Anyone recall the link? Was the the orange box inside the black ...

A rattle heard on cockpit tapes could mean that the stabiliser's bolts were coming out Investigators looking for the cause of the latest disaster to hit New York City, the plane crash that killed at least 262 people, have switched their focus to the aircraft's tail, aviation sources said early today. Evidence from the first of American Airlines flight 587's black-box recorders turned attention away from earlier speculation about mechanical failure in one or more engines, or the notion that birds might have been sucked into the machinery. Instead, it is thought now that the pilots' mentions of rattles, caught ...

Monday November 12 9:06 PM ET Quotes From NYC Plane Crash By The Associated Press, ``This is a horrible, horrible day.'' - New York Gov. George Pataki. ``People were screaming and running. I thought we were being bombed, because I didn't see the plane.'' - Janet Barasso, who wept as she recounted fleeing from her home a block from the crash site with her two sons. ``First I heard a big explosion. Then I saw flames come out from behind the plane. And then a whole wing with the engine fell off.'' - Antonio Villela, a construction worker. ``I saw ...

<p>I have a theory that may explain the events that destroyed American Airlines Flight 587. I have not seen this theory posted or mentioned anywhere.</p> <p>Item: The Vertical Stabilizer and rudder fall off plane with little or no visible damage to their surfaces.</p>

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A preliminary inspection of the engines from doomed American Airlines Flight 587 showed no evidence of internal failure, investigators looking into what caused the airliner to crash, killing up to 265 people, said on Tuesday. "Initial inspection shows no evidence of any sort of internal failure of engines. They all appear to be in one piece," said NTSB member George Black at a news conference. NTSB investigators have been looking very closely at the plane's two General Electric CF680C2 series engines for clues to what caused the airliner to suddenly drop from the sky on Monday ...

Inquiry May Focus on Engine Explosion Experts say GE models have had problems in the past By Sylvia Adcock, Lauren Terrazzano and Tom McGinty STAFF WRITERS November 13, 2001 It was less than three minutes after the wheels of the Airbus lifted from the Kennedy Airport runway that the wide-body jet plunged into the ground from 2,800 feet. It could take weeks or months to find out why. But the evidence so far points to a midair mechanical failure so sudden that the cockpit crew of American Flight 587 had no chance to make a distress call. Investigators are ...

<p>NEW YORK (CNN) -- Federal investigators said they are considering whether "wake turbulence" from another airplane may have played a role in the crash of a commercial jet that crashed Monday, scattering debris over a Queens neighborhood and claiming more than 260 lives.</p>

NEW YORK, Nov 13, 2001 (AP Online via COMTEX) -- Less than two minutes into its takeoff, rattling noises were heard in the cockpit of American Flight 587, and the pilots began losing control of the plane within 20 seconds, investigators reported Tuesday, citing one of the jet's black boxes. The plane's second black box, the flight data recorder, was recovered Tuesday after a 24-hour hunt through a Queens neighborhood staggered by a double dose of tragedy. At least 262 people were killed when the plane crashed. A source close to the investigation said that the NTSB was looking at ...

Fox news is reporting that the flight was delayed 74 minutes due to security (not Mechanical) problems..... HMMMMMM!!!!

At the NTSB press conference, they just stated that both engines appear to be intact and that there are no signs of engine failure, according to George Black, NTSB Boardmember.

Washington, D.C.--Freshman Senator Hitlery Clinton, sitting in her Senate office eating from a large pile of cold nachos, told bootlicking reporters gathered round that she believes President Bush's tax cut program is to blame for the crash of the American Airlines Flight 587 Monday morning in Queens, New York."We had eight years of prosperity under the previous administration, and in eleven short months we've had, what, four or five major plane crashes? Notice, too, they've all come after the irresponsible Bush tax cut plan was enacted," Hitlery declared between swigs of what she described as "medicine water".The sycophants surrounding the ...

For want of a nail, the shoe was lost. For want of a shoe, the horse was lost, For want of a horse, the war was lost. My ears perked up as I listened to the NTSB inspector talking this morning on Fox News. He described how the tail of the plane had sheared off in a clean break before it dropped an engine and wing and crashed into a peaceful Rockaway neighborhood. "What do you think?" I asked my husband. "Bolts," he replied. Fifteen years ago, when my husband took the job as VP of Engineering for a large ...

The American Airlines Airbus that crashed into New York could have suffered an unprecedented disaster when BOTH its engines fell off, it is being suggested today. American air safety sources say both engines from Flight 587's Airbus A300 appear to have broken away from the aircraft before it crashed into the New York suburb of Rockaway moments after take-off from JFK.

American Airlines Flight 587's Crash was NOT an Accident. Angel Shamaya 11.13.01 With all the mediawhores and government mouths telling us that American Airlines flight 587's crash (November 12, 2001) was &quot;an accident,&quot; one need only look at the known facts -- overlaid with the Law of Probability -- to know that they are lying. Consider the following known facts: 1) The airplane that went down was an American Airlines jet. American Airlines was used against America on 9/11. It bears the name of our nation, making it, once again, a juicy target for those who hate our country. ...

Monday November 12 2:24 PM ET NTSB Chief: Crash Probably Accident Photos AP Photo Slideshows AP Photo American Airlines Plane Crashes Near Kennedy Airport Audio/Video NTSB Briefing on New York Plane Crash - (Yahoo! Finance Vision) Passenger Plane Crashes in New York (ABCNEWS.com) Official: Crash May Not Be Terror (AP) &nbsp; By RON FOURNIER, AP White House Correspondent WASHINGTON (AP) - White House spokesman Ari Fleischer (news - web sites) said there were no unusual communications from the cockpit of an American Airlines plane that crashed Monday in New York. The head of the U.S. safety board said current information ...

Flight 587: Mechanical Failure or Terrorist Attack? 1620 GMT, 011112 An American Airlines A-300 passenger jet crashed on takeoff from New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport Nov. 12. The crash comes nearly two months to the day after the simultaneous hijackings of four domestic airliners, which were flown into the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon. Several notable differences between the events of Sept. 11 and those of Nov. 12, however, may provide early clues into the cause of the crash. The fact that American Airlines Flight 587 crashed just two minutes after takeoff strongly precludes the possibility ...

Just heard Hillary on the CBS radio news talking about how she had met a young man whose brother just came off an aircraft carrier and was killed in today's American Airlines crash. She had that "hurt" sound in her voice and lamented that the young man had been killed after working so hard to defend us against terrorism.

US officials concluded a month ago that there was an unsafe condition in the type of engine that powered the Airbus that crashed in New York yesterday, killing more than 260 people. They had started moving toward tougher inspections of the US-manufactured engines. Investigators were treating the crash of American Airlines Flight 578 as an accident, with early evidence pointing to mechanical failure in the twin-engine Airbus A300. A Federal Aviation Administration’s safety notice on October 5 followed months of increased scrutiny of the CF6-80C2 engine that powered the ill-fated American plane and is used on more than 1,000 aircraft ...

1) We have heard eye-witnesses say that they saw explosions on both the left and the right engines prior to the crash. 2) We have heard of possible engine flaws within that model AirBus. 3) We now have the possibility of a bird(s) causing the crash. Can anyone else share any more information from eyewitnesses or journilist reporting on the crash? I'd like to draw my own conclusion, because I certainly don't believe anything the government tells me - i.e. NTSB; CDC; etc. They will probably go as far as creating a fake cockpit recording for the public to hear ...

NTSB News Conference beginning......

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. investigators said on Tuesday initial information from the cockpit voice recorder found in the wreckage of an American Airlines plane indicated Monday's crash was an accident and not sabotage. "The cockpit voice recorder is the biggest information that we have and a quick listen to that last evening in Washington showed nothing that would imply any sort of unusual activity in the cockpit other than the accident sequence," said National Transportation Safety Board spokesman George Black. Speaking on ABC's "Good Morning America" show, Black said there were no unknown voices in the cockpit before Flight ...

<p>Investigators examining one of the separated engines from American Airlines Flight 587 found foreign debris inside, indicating that the engine may have ingested a flock of birds and then caught on fire.</p> <p>The engine burned internally, people close to the investigation said. But its parts appeared intact, except for the damage from what is known in aviation as ``foreign object debris,'' or ``FOD.'' That would suggest that the engine didn't suffer a catastrophic failure from some mechanical breakdown, but from sucking in birds, these people said.</p>