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Scalia assails ‘flexible’ Constitution: High court justice speaks to packed U. of Missouri hall
Columbia, Missouri Daily Tribune ^ | Thursday, November 15, 2001 | GEORGE MAZURAK

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:49 PM PST by rface

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia last night criticized a perspective that has swept through courts, law schools and the public during the past 50 years - that the Constitution is a living document evolving with society.

"This is a Constitution that morphs, that means whatever society wants it to mean," Scalia told an audience of about 500 last night in Conservation Hall at the University of Missouri-Columbia. It represents "a new orthodoxy" that’s spread "deeply into public consciousness."

Proponents of a "flexible" Constitution contend it is a "living organism that must grow with the society it governs," Scalia said disparagingly. They believe that if the document doesn’t grow, it will "become brittle and snap. … The Constitution is not a living organism. It is a legal document, for Pete’s sake."

Scalia described himself and Clarence Thomas as the lone "originalists" on the high court who believe the Constitution should be read for the meaning it had when it was adopted in 1791.

Until about 50 years ago, "originalism used to be constitutional orthodoxy," he said. But at law schools these days, someone could "fire a round of grapeshot in the faculty lounge and not hit an originalist."

Advocates of a living Constitution contend it provides flexibility on issues such as the death penalty, Scalia said, which they contend is unconstitutional in light of "evolving standards of decency that reflect a maturing society."

Provoking laughter, Scalia characterized that view as "Pollyannaish."

"My Constitution … does not prohibit the death penalty," he said. Capital punishment "may be a bad idea, but if it’s a bad idea, pass a law."

Scalia suggested the same remedy regarding abortion. "If you want abortion, pass a law. If you don’t want it, persuade your fellow citizens the other way. That’s flexibility."

Scalia said the constitutional shift was apparent in recent court decisions. When Colorado voters approved a law that would have barred sexual preference from becoming a protected status in that state, "some thought it was terrible and must be unconstitutional." A majority of the Supreme Court agreed, "on the basis of - I have no idea - the sexual preference clause of the Constitution," Scalia said. The same day, the Supreme Court ruled that a $4 million punitive-damages award for a scratch on a BMW car was "in violation of - I have no idea - the excessive damages clause of the Bill of Rights."

"I say, a pox on both their houses," Scalia said. "It has nothing to do with whether you’re a social liberal or a social conservative."

Flexible interpretations can result in the loss of freedom, Scalia said, citing a decision that allows juveniles in molestation trials to testify in a room separate from the defendant and the court. "You may like the result of that, but don’t pretend that decision did not eliminate a liberty that used to exist," he said.

Scalia closed with a warning for people who "worry about the federal government getting too big for its britches."

"I have to tell you, learn to love it," he said. "Who do you think is going to protect the states?" Jabbing a thumb at his chest, he answered, "I’m a fed. … There is no instrumentality to check the government."

Scalia fielded questions from a mixed audience of students, faculty and community residents.

A couple of hundred people were turned away for lack of space. Outside the hall, a handful of protesters carried signs, including one that challenged a high court decision that helped resolve the 2000 election.

Scalia, 65, has served on the Supreme Court since 1986, when he was nominated by President Ronald Reagan. Married and a father of nine children, he was among a 5-4 majority that denied a hand recount of disputed ballots in Florida.

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I was able to attend. What a speaker. This guy is not a quiet: not a shy kind-a guy. He had us laughing many times and he was very warmly received.

The person who introduced him said, "Free Speech does not cover hecklers - as agreed with by the ACLU. Any Disruptors will be asked to leave."

500 packed the auditorium, and there was another 500 out in the hallways that weren't allowed to get in.


Protesters Dean Andersen, center, and Willy Maxwell, right,
watch attendees of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia’s speech
last night at the University of Missouri-Columbia
while holding signs decrying his
conservative philosophy and his role in the 2000 election

By-the-way. I did see a Sore/Loserman T-Shirt in the audience last night, and I did bump into a MIZZOU Freeper (The Right Wing Conspiracy).

Ashland, Missouri

1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:49 PM PST by rface
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To: freeeee; KC Burke; NittanyLion; white trash redneck
Here's the article that came out in today's afternoon newspaper.
2 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:53 PM PST by rface
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To: rface
great
3 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:54 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: rface
Good article thanks for posting it.
4 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:54 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: rface
A "Constitution ensures checks and balances" You-go Scalia BUMP.
5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:54 PM PST by lds23
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To: rface
It's good to know the court is there to protect the right of those in the picture above to be a$$holes.
6 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:55 PM PST by Keith
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To: rface
Thanks for the bump.
7 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:55 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: rface
"Scalia closed with a warning for people who "worry about the federal government getting too big for its britches." "I have to tell you, learn to love it," he said. "Who do you think is going to protect the states?" Jabbing a thumb at his chest, he answered, "I’m a fed. … There is no instrumentality to check the government." Bttt!
8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:56 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: rface
Scalia, J., dissenting

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES


No. 99—830

DON STENBERG, ATTORNEY GENERAL OF NEBRASKA, et al., PETITIONERS v.
LEROY CARHART

ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE EIGHTH CIRCUIT

[June 28, 2000]

    Justice Scalia, dissenting.

    I am optimistic enough to believe that, one day, Stenberg v. Carhart will be assigned its rightful place in the history of this Court’s jurisprudence beside Korematsu and Dred Scott. The method of killing a human child–one cannot even accurately say an entirely unborn human child–proscribed by this statute is so horrible that the most clinical description of it evokes a shudder of revulsion. And the Court must know (as most state legislatures banning this procedure have concluded) that demanding a “health exception”–which requires the abortionist to assure himself that, in his expert medical judgment, this method is, in the case at hand, marginally safer than others (how can one prove the contrary beyond a reasonable doubt?)–is to give live-birth abortion free rein. The notion that the Constitution of the United States, designed, among other things, “to establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, . . . and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,” prohibits the States from simply banning this visibly brutal means of eliminating our half-born posterity is quite simply absurd.

    Even so, I had not intended to write separately here until the focus of the other separate writings (including the one I have joined) gave me cause to fear that this case might be taken to stand for an error different from the one that it actually exemplifies. Because of the Court’s practice of publishing dissents in the order of the seniority of their authors, this writing will appear in the reports before those others, but the reader will not comprehend what follows unless he reads them first.

* * *

    The two lengthy dissents in this case have, appropriately enough, set out to establish that today’s result does not follow from this Court’s most recent pronouncement on the matter of abortion, Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833 (1992). It would be unfortunate, however, if those who disagree with the result were induced to regard it as merely a regrettable misapplication of Casey. It is not that, but is Casey’s logical and entirely predictable consequence. To be sure, the Court’s construction of this statute so as to make it include procedures other than live-birth abortion involves not only a disregard of fair meaning, but an abandonment of the principle that even ambiguous statutes should be interpreted in such fashion as to render them valid rather than void. Casey does not permit that jurisprudential novelty–which must be chalked up to the Court’s inclination to bend the rules when any effort to limit abortion, or even to speak in opposition to abortion, is at issue. It is of a piece, in other words, with Hill v. Colorado, ante, p. ___, also decided today.

    But the Court gives a second and independent reason for invalidating this humane (not to say anti-barbarian) law: That it fails to allow an exception for the situation in which the abortionist believes that this live-birth method of destroying the child might be safer for the woman. (As pointed out by Justice Thomas, and elaborated upon by Justice Kennedy, there is no good reason to believe this is ever the case, but–who knows?–it sometime might be.)

    I have joined Justice Thomas’s dissent because I agree that today’s decision is an “unprecedented expansio[n]” of our prior cases, post, at 35, “is not mandated” by Casey’s “undue burden” test, post, at 33, and can even be called (though this pushes me to the limit of my belief) “obviously irreconcilable with Casey’s explication of what its undue-burden standard requires,” post, at 4. But I never put much stock in Casey’s explication of the inexplicable. In the last analysis, my judgment that Casey does not support today’s tragic result can be traced to the fact that what I consider to be an “undue burden” is different from what the majority considers to be an “undue burden”–a conclusion that can not be demonstrated true or false by factual inquiry or legal reasoning. It is a value judgment, dependent upon how much one respects (or believes society ought to respect) the life of a partially delivered fetus, and how much one respects (or believes society ought to respect) the freedom of the woman who gave it life to kill it. Evidently, the five Justices in today’s majority value the former less, or the latter more, (or both), than the four of us in dissent. Case closed. There is no cause for anyone who believes in Casey to feel betrayed by this outcome. It has been arrived at by precisely the process Casey promised–a democratic vote by nine lawyers, not on the question whether the text of the Constitution has anything to say about this subject (it obviously does not); nor even on the question (also appropriate for lawyers) whether the legal traditions of the American people would have sustained such a limitation upon abortion (they obviously would); but upon the pure policy question whether this limitation upon abortion is “undue”–i.e., goes too far.

    In my dissent in Casey, I wrote that the “undue burden” test made law by the joint opinion created a standard that was “as doubtful in application as it is unprincipled in origin,” Casey, 505 U.S., at 985; “hopelessly unworkable in practice,” id., at 986; “ultimately standardless,” id., at 987. Today’s decision is the proof. As long as we are debating this issue of necessity for a health-of-the-mother exception on the basis of Casey, it is really quite impossible for us dissenters to contend that the majority is wrong on the law–any more than it could be said that one is wrong in law to support or oppose the death penalty, or to support or oppose mandatory minimum sentences. The most that we can honestly say is that we disagree with the majority on their policy-judgment-couched-as-law. And those who believe that a 5-to-4 vote on a policy matter by unelected lawyers should not overcome the judgment of 30 state legislatures have a problem, not with the application of Casey, but with its existence. Casey must be overruled.

    While I am in an I-told-you-so mood, I must recall my bemusement, in Casey, at the joint opinion’s expressed belief that Roe v. Wade had “call[ed] the contending sides of a national controversy to end their national division by accepting a common mandate rooted in the Constitution,” Casey, 505 U.S., at 867, and that the decision in Casey would ratify that happy truce. It seemed to me, quite to the contrary, that “Roe fanned into life an issue that has inflamed our national politics in general, and has obscured with its smoke the selection of Justices to this Court in particular, ever since”; and that, “by keeping us in the abortion-umpiring business, it is the perpetuation of that disruption, rather than of any Pax Roeana, that the Court’s new majority decrees.” Id., at 995—996. Today’s decision, that the Constitution of the United States prevents the prohibition of a horrible mode of abortion, will be greeted by a firestorm of criticism–as well it should. I cannot understand why those who acknowledge that, in the opening words of Justice O’Connor’s concurrence, “[t]he issue of abortion is one of the most contentious and controversial in contemporary American society,” ante, at 1, persist in the belief that this Court, armed with neither constitutional text nor accepted tradition, can resolve that contention and controversy rather than be consumed by it. If only for the sake of its own preservation, the Court should return this matter to the people–where the Constitution, by its silence on the subject, left it–and let them decide, State by State, whether this practice should be allowed. Casey must be overruled.


Scalia bump. Wish I'd have known he was going to be in Missouri.....
9 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:56 PM PST by toenail
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Scalia closed with a warning for people who "worry about the federal government getting too big for its britches."

"I have to tell you, learn to love it," he said. "Who do you think is going to protect the states?" Jabbing a thumb at his chest, he answered, "I'm a fed. …

WTF?! How can he retain even the appearance of impartiality after such OUTRAGEOUS statements? He can't contain the scope of the fed because he's a fed? It appears he has a serious conflict of interest that keeps him from confining expanding federal power, one that is supposed to be stopped by checks and balances that his position is supposed to provide.

"There is no instrumentality to check the government."

Um, Scalia that's what the Constitution is supposed to do. Your position exists for the sole purpose of serving as a check and balance against the other two branches in case they violate the Constitution.

I can't believe he said this and anyone here still respects him. I certainly don't.

And this is the closest the court has to an 'originalist'? No wonder our country has wandered so far from constitutional rule.

10 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:02 PM PST by freeeee
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A majority of the Supreme Court agreed, "on the basis of - I have no idea - the sexual preference clause of the Constitution,"

LOL.

11 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:03 PM PST by LibertarianLiz
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Thanks for the article, and the first-hand account. We really need more Scalia's.
12 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:03 PM PST by FairWitness
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To: freeeee
You cannot be seriously so thick - he was being sarcastic - absurd - showing us that under the current system with the "felexible" constitution the federal government has nothing to stop it. A situation he demonstrates is absurb by shoiwng the liberals how scary it is to think that he is the fed and cannot be stopped unless we return to the originalist orthodoxy.
13 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:04 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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A lot is lost in the context of speech when it is read instead of heard. Maybe I understood him incorrectly, I took him literally.

How can you be sure he was being sarcastic? I'd love to think he was, but I didn't see anything suggesting it.

If he wasn't being sarcastic, his comments are outright scandelous. And people got so upset over Monica Lewinsky. If he meant what he said, this is far, far worse.

14 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:05 PM PST by freeeee
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To: rface
Very Cool!
15 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:05 PM PST by Media2Powerful
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To: freeeee
One of his warnigs (that is not included in this article) is that their are so few "Originalists" and so many Living Constitutionalists, that the S.C. is going to continue to Morph the constitution, unless and until the people start paying attention to what is happening and push the govenment back towards the traditional view of the Constitution.

One of his statements were, Get used to It!, when he spoke of the evolving constitution, because originalists are in the minority, and will remain so until there is a groundswell that pushes people like Scalia and Thomas into a majority.

16 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:06 PM PST by rface
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He shot sarcastic comments all night long! I was there...He is way cool. You are jumping to a wrong conclusion.
17 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:06 PM PST by rface
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To: rface
Do you know if I can get the text anywhere?
18 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:06 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: rface
Oh, ok. Thanks for clearing that up. I have to say, the article left that out and was very misleading.

Thanks for your help. If that is Scalia's true opinion, I retract my statements.

19 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:07 PM PST by freeeee
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To: rface
BUMP from one "originalist" to another.
20 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:07 PM PST by AFreeBird
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