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The Final Word? New documents raise questions about news media’s findings on the 2000 presidential
Newsweek ^ | Dec 3 issue | By Michael Isikoff

Posted on 11/25/2001 12:05:19 PM PST by Jewels1091

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:35 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

After spending nearly $1 million, a consortium of big news organizations last week rendered what it once thought would be final word on last year

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Here's the rest of the story!!! And I bet you won't hear it on any T.V. news!!!
1 posted on 11/25/2001 12:05:20 PM PST by Jewels1091
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To: Jewels1091
Just MHO, but I figure if you recounted 1000 times you would come up with 1000 different results. Humans are just too imperfect to deal with such large numbers of ballots and do it in a consistent manner. And overvotes and undervotes can't be counted by machine.

And while I'm about it, I'd like to know how, in an overvote situation, the vote counter decides who gets the vote?

2 posted on 11/25/2001 12:34:32 PM PST by upchuck
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To: Jewels1091
The Final Word?

Only in our dreams...it won't go away for another 3 years...and will be brought up at every close election for the next 100 years.

No, there will never be a "final word" on this.
3 posted on 11/25/2001 12:38:40 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: upchuck
And while I'm about it, I'd like to know how, in an overvote situation, the vote counter decides who gets the vote?

Oh, that's simple. The democRAT party hacks running most of the disputed counties would get to decide.


5 posted on 11/25/2001 12:42:09 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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To: hogwaller
Flash, just in.

The 1,436 missing ballots are still in the posession of mystics, employed by the media consortium, who are trying to devine the intent of these ballots!

6 posted on 11/25/2001 12:46:37 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Jewels1091
If it is true that the national media has a liberal bias, we'll soon be hearing much more about this story on TV and in the magazines and newspapers.

The only way a story this damaging to Bush can be kept OUT of the headlines is if the rest of the media deliberately covers it up. But, obviously, only a national media biased toward conservatives would unanimously act to cover up a story this damaging to the President's "legitimacy."

So if this story disappears quickly -- does NOT become headlines -- it will mean that the media is not liberal.

And that can't possibly be the truth.

7 posted on 11/25/2001 12:50:28 PM PST by Sagitarius
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To: Jewels1091
Einer Elhauge had it right in The Weekly Standard last week when he said:

...the Gore legal team did in fact know what it was doing--the legal equivalent of using trial and error to pick a combination lock. It was simply shut down by the U.S. Supreme Court before it found the precise combination of standards (or lack thereof) and sets of ballots to change the outcome.

I firmly believe the 'rats are committed to using these scumball, racist, divisional tactics in every close election of national importance for the forseeable future. The 'Rats care nothing about the choice of the people, or equally applied standards of voting. They want to win the election, and to substitute for a win, they want to divide America. Either way, they view it as a "win", because they have fodder for the next election.

Look for the gaggle of lawyers to descend again upon the next district or state that has a 1% difference of votes again. Look for Jesse Jackson to march right away to whatever African American community that state or district has and cry "foul". Look for Tom Dash-hole and Ted Kennedy to trounce in front of the cameras and cry for further election reform and to blame John Ashcroft for the racist election process.

8 posted on 11/25/2001 12:50:39 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: TomGuy
"...No, there will never be a "final word" on this..."

LOL!

Yes, the enemy will continue to resurrect it, as long as there seems to be even the slimmest chance that political hay stands to be made of it.

But algore makes his 'presidential speeches' into a hand mirror, while perched on the toilet. (between grunts)

President Bush makes his speeches in the nerve centers of power, as he authors history by prosecuting that which is required to maintain the Pax Americana.

Power may not be 'the last word'...

But it'll do nicely until it's spoken.

10 posted on 11/25/2001 12:53:47 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: TomGuy
Actually this election will be remembered as a disgusting joke to the majority of the people.
11 posted on 11/25/2001 12:58:00 PM PST by horsewhispersc
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To: Amerigomag
This is all nuts, like deciding the outcome of a football game by looking at the game films and second-guessing every dubious official decison and pointing out where officals missed calls. So what are you going to do now, have the two teams assemble and run the plays again?
12 posted on 11/25/2001 12:58:37 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: Jewels1091

I'm stunned. After all those newspapers spent over a million dollars investigating this, only to find that Bush would have won anyway, the fearless investigative reporter Michael Isikoff now rises with the definitive answer, culled from the smoking memo: Gore won.

I can understand him wanting to have the last word. The one time in his life he had the chance to have the first word, and probably a Pulitzer prize, he chose to protect Bill Clinton instead of reporting what he'd found. He'd become a Clinton salesman instead of a reporter; traded in his integrity for a pat on the back from Bill & Hill. And now here he is, The Great Reporter, still groveling before his master as the last loyal salesman of the Gore campaign.

Poor Mike. Lucky Matt.


13 posted on 11/25/2001 1:00:33 PM PST by Nick Danger
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To: Jewels1091
I am getting really sick of the "clear intention" argument. It is the primary obligation of every voter with "clear intent" to clearly mark his or her ballot with the candidate of their choice. To do any less renders your ballot disqualified by a set of mutually agreed upon rules of disqualification. That means overvotes and undervotes. If a voter cannot follow instructions that even first graders have been shown able to follow, then they deserve to have their votes Darwinized. As far as the infamous Palm Beach ballots were concerned, the instructions for successful completion of ballots were clearly present in each of the voting booths.

Bush won, fair and square, so let this insipid issue die already, Newsweak!!!! 'nuff said.

14 posted on 11/25/2001 1:05:48 PM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: Sagitarius
Nice try....
DU is open for posting....
15 posted on 11/25/2001 1:06:25 PM PST by unamused
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To: Sagitarius
This story will disappear because any American with two brain cells to rub together knows that you never count overvotes. If an American citizen isn't bright enough to figure out how to vote, he/she is obviously not bright enough to be picking our leaders.

Sorry, that's just the plain old truth.

16 posted on 11/25/2001 1:12:47 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: Sagitarius
If you were to try taking an undervote or an overvote to your local lottery people, would you be successful at winning a prize? If you can't fill out the ballot properly, don't expect your vote to count.
17 posted on 11/25/2001 1:27:58 PM PST by Tymesup
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To: Sagitarius
So if this story disappears quickly -- does NOT become headlines -- it will mean that the media is not liberal

If you have any doubts you need to spend about a week at the Media Research Center then come back when your head is on straight.

18 posted on 11/25/2001 2:00:41 PM PST by be-baw
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To: McGavin999
Any overvote should set off an alarm of ballot tampering.
19 posted on 11/25/2001 2:01:32 PM PST by be-baw
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To: Jewels1091
I contacted Miss Cleo and found out unequivocally that Bob Marley was the real winner of the election.
20 posted on 11/25/2001 2:08:56 PM PST by Equality 7-2521
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