Who needs enemies when you have friends like these?

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Please refresh my memory..I believe back in 1999 Turkey captured PKK leader Ocalun in Kenya. In PKK attacked various turkish-euro embassies by protest. They even invaded the Israeli embassy in Berlin, Israelis shot some of them. PKK blamed Israel, turned out they were wrong--did they apologize? Turns out that the Greek Embassy in Kenya might have aided Turkey in the capture??? Is this right???

At bottom, what the debate about freezing terrorist assets reveals is that some European governments remain paralyzed by a fear that their large Kurdish and Muslim fundamentalist populations may become restive, and violent, unless they go some way toward accommodating their demands. In Germany alone there are an estimated 800 members of Hezbollah, and probably many more PKK activists and sympathizers. Who knows what they are capable of?

The embassy raids were a small display of what kind of a mess Europe has gotten itself by supporting other peoples' terrorists. When the PKK lost their leader to justice, they lashed out on their friends by causing unrest on their own turf.

Yes, the Israeli's shot a couple of the terrorists trying to raid their embassy. As you know, they happen to be the only nation, along with Turkey, who have the guts and balls to fight terrorists the way they deserve.

Ocalan was forced to be deported from his hideout in Damascus, Syria when Turkey threatened the Syrians by moving forces to the border and stating that if they did not turn him over, they would go and get him themselves. The Syrians denied the fact that they knew where he was but Turkey presented them with details of his whereabouts in Damascus along with his phone number. (Nice intelligence, wonder where it came from:-) One general was quoted as having said, "If we start the invasion after breakfast, we'd be in Damascus in time for an afternoon tea break"

After fleeing from Syria he flew arond for a day or two and landed in Iraly. The very hospitable Italians gave him a nice villa and let him carry out his propaganda closer to Europe for a while but they too were pressured into kicking him out after a month or so.(Probably by Turkey's good old friend Uncle Sam)

After Italy, he again flew around a bit and wasn't even admitted into Russia (again thanks to the US) but Greece was more than happy to have him as a guest. (or at least their foreign minister Pangalos and a bunch of other hate-the-turk junkies were) However, following pressures from Turkey and the US, they had to get rid of him and sent him to their embassy in Nairobi, Kenya. This was probably a bailout scheme that the US offered them as Nairobi is known to be one of those places in Africa where the Israeli MOSSAD is extremely strong. Even airport security is run by Israelis :-)

And we all know the story after that with the high fives by Turkish Special Forces in the plane during the terrorists all-expenses-paid trip back home courtesy of Turkey.

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Thanks for the heads up!

Poor Kurds, they get killed by Iraqis, Turks, and have only forces like the scummy PKK to fall back on. One day we will see the Kurds allowed to be free be they an acknowledged non Turkish minority in Turkey and Iraq/Iran or in a free Kurdistan and that they need not have groups like the PKK fight for them.

The Tigers of Sri Lanka are a similar organization arising from similar needs.

Maybe we need some good old fasioned western imperialism (not this capitalist neo-imperialism going on today). Turkey gets to take over Syria and Lebanon, Jordan gets Iraq, and a decent sized state gets carved out in between for Kurdistan. It would be great to have pro-western modern regimes controlling the heart of the Arab world.

Why should Kurds settle for minority status when they already have majority rights? The onlt thing they can't do is to give Kurdish education in schools and that's not what they would be struggling for anyway. The services of the Turkish state have not reached many parts of the Southeast. A lot of people can't get any decent education past elementary school in Turkish let alone Kurdish and the schools that were already there were major targets of the PKK. They killed hundreds of teachers and burned schools because educated people can get better jobs and the PKK would be rid of its best source of terrorists : ignorant, jobless Kurds with no hop gor the future. Yhanks to the success of the Turkish army and the government against the PKK, they have lost the limited public support they had and have had to recruit Syrians and Armenians to kill for them. The Kurdish people, except for a very small minority of persistent Marxists, do not support their actions. PKK terrorists have killed thousands of innocent Kurdish and Turkish villagers throughout their 15 year campaign of terror and the Kurdish people see that their actions are not for their good but for the interests of Russia, Syria, Greece, Armenia and a handful of European states.

Terrorist organizations do not arise from humanitarian motives. I see that you are well in line with the 'BUT people', Palestinian and other Arabs that chanted in the streets when they heard about 9/11. I wonder if the FBI has a record on your support for international terrorism.

Maybe we need some good old fasioned western imperialism (not this capitalist neo-imperialism going on today). Turkey gets to take over Syria and Lebanon, Jordan gets Iraq, and a decent sized state gets carved out in between for Kurdistan. It would be great to have pro-western modern regimes controlling the heart of the Arab world.

Bad idea. Why the hell would anybody want to take over Syria and Lebanon? Who would want to acquire a worthless piece of dirt populated by a myriad of groups that hate eachother enough to kill. Messing around with borders is a very dangerous thing. You give others the right to seek similar ambitions.

Well, it was pretty facetious to begin with. You know, a joke. That's what started this mess to begin with.

Where were you during Kosovo?

Get all nervous at the thought of Kurdish education and minority rights in Turkey don't you?

Poor Kurds, they get killed by Iraqis, Turks, and have only forces like the scummy PKK to fall back on. One day we will see the Kurds allowed to be free be they an acknowledged non Turkish minority in Turkey and Iraq/Iran or in a free Kurdistan and that they need not have groups like the PKK fight for them.

The Tigers of Sri Lanka are a similar organization arising from similar needs.

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You are out of your frigging mind.

I am out of my mind in what way? You like the PKK and the ELA Tigers? I can think of no worse organizations. How can you even support such groups?

This is all just a snide semantic game for you. You don't fool me.

I am not anti-semantic!

You have been an anti-semant for years, don't deny it!