Posted on 11/30/2001 6:49:22 PM PST by Lady In Blue
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If ya'll side with Maxine Waters, I'll tell you in advance there is no hope for you.
 I do agree with Bob Barr, though.
 Secret trials?
 Maybe in wartime, but we are not at war.
How many times do we have to be attacked before you think we are at war?
The secret part of secret trials that is valid is as in not public....not on tv...not a jury that the terrorists can go target their families or a courthouse the terrorists can bomb. But the rule of law is still applied. These aren't judges with hoods covering their faces. BUT if that still bothers you I have an alternative suggestion. Let's not try any of them. Let's just kill them all and let God sort 'em out.
Secret Justice 
 Memo: Ashcroft Orders Closed Courts
"The Attorney General has implemented additional security procedures for certain cases in the immigration court," says a Sept. 21 e-mail from Chief Immigration Judge Michael Creppy to his subordinates. "Those procedures require us to hold the hearing individually, to close the hearing to the public and to avoid discussing the case or otherwise disclosing the case to anyone outside the Immigration Court."
A related memorandum, marked "PLEASE DO NOT DISCLOSE," gives the following detailed instructions for handling the cases:
 "Because some of these cases may ultimately involve classified evidence, the cases are to be assigned only to judges who currently hold at least a secret clearance."
 "The courtroom must be closed for these cases  no visitors, no family and no press."
 "The record of proceeding is not to be released to anyone except an attorney or representative (of the person charged.) This restriction on information includes confirming or denying whether such a case is on the docket or scheduled for a hearing."
The memo also tells court clerks to code the cases 
in a way that keeps the docket information, 
 generally a matter of public record, secret.
 The coding also keeps the cases from appearing on posted court calendars. 
 To: exodus
 "How many times do we have to be attacked
 before you think we are at war?"
 # 7 by JD86 
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It doesn't require an attack, JD86.
 All the Constitution requires 
is a Declaration of War from Congress.
By the way I have a friend on active duty who is really PO'd about how the Congress acted. He says they should take the antibiotic and go back to work....!!!!! (Sorry, off topic..rant over.)
 Congress has declared war in the form of the resolution granting Bush the authority to wage war. I'd have preferred a different format--a piece of paper actually entitled "Declaration of War," but the more tacit approach works if that's what makes the spineless Congresscritters happy.
 To: exodus
 Secret trials? 
   
 The secret part of secret trials that is valid is as in not public....not on tv...not a jury that the terrorists can go target their families or a courthouse the terrorists can bomb. But the rule of law is still applied. These aren't judges with hoods covering their faces...
   
# 6 by JD86 
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I know what secret means, JD86.
 Because I know what secret means, 
 I know how information denied to citizens can be used to justify any abuse of power.
Remember Waco? The Davidians begged for news coverage. They had signs hanging from their windows asking for newsmen. They weren't allowed telephones, and the shortwave was jammed by the government. Why?
 The government spokesman said "because it would only drum up sympathy for the Davidians."
 Actually, what it would have done is call attention to the planned massacre of the Davidians.
 Secrecy is bad, JD86.
 It only helps the tyrant.
 To: exodus Hello McFly...............is anyone there? 
 Is 5000 dead not enough for you. You are surely kidding. That is a dumb statement. 
A formal declaration of war is just a piece of paper at this point.
 We ARE at war.
 Think. 
# 9 by TheCause 
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 A formal Declaration of War is just an unimportant detail?
 Oh, posh.
 It's only a requirement of the Constitution,
 which I'm sure you consider an unimportant piece of paper.
the Davidians wanted to be martyrs, the government obliged, both were stupid. It didn't have to happen but there is more than enough blame for both sides.
Now back to this thread. You are concerned about exactly what in the military tribunals? There will be a judge, the accused gets an attorney (which we have to pay for)...the trial is conducted according to the rules of evidence. Just because the dadgummed press can't be there to make it a three ring circus, you are worried about the rights of the terrorists? Not me. Besides, I think we are going above and beyond to give them a trial with rights of representation, etc. Tell me how many rights the people in NYC, the Pentagon and the airway over PA had on 9/11. Tell me how the terrorists played by the rules.
 To: JD86 
"...War crimes call for Military trials! 
# 11 by ladyinred 
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Yes, war crimes call for a military trial.
 When we go to war, we should have military trials.
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