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All The Justice Terrorists Deserve
USA TODAY ^ | November 26, 2001 | Laura Ingraham

Posted on 11/30/2001 6:49:22 PM PST by Lady In Blue

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All the Justice Terrorists Deserve
By Laura Ingraham
USA TODAY Nov. 26, 2001

By Laura Ingraham

What can Democrats do as President Bush's approval rating continues to hold steady in the 90% range? Desperately scour the political landscape for leverage on fringe issues, apparently.

How else to explain the decision of Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., to hold hearings on the president's Nov. 13 executive order that allows for military trials of suspected terrorists and their helpers.

To listen to the scorching rhetoric on the left, one would think the administration had indiscriminately begun rounding up people during Ramadan instead of breaking the fast with Muslim leaders, as Bush did at the White House.

"They're literally dismantling justice and the justice system as we know it," bellowed Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif. Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., said, "These procedures belong in a Soviet state or a dictatorship, not in a free society."

The New York Times' lead editorial branded Bush's decision on military courts "A Travesty of Justice." In liberal lock step, The Washington Post described the tribunals as "comparable" with "secret courts by hooded judges in Peru." Neither newspaper bothered to mention the fact that presidents throughout history (Washington, Lincoln and FDR) relied on military trials. Or that the Supreme Court's Quirin decision in 1942 upheld their use for "unlawful combatants" engaged in murderous plots against America.

Some conservatives, such as William Safire and Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., are also against the use of military commissions. Democrats who were blasting Barr as an obsessed, seething Clinton-hater a few years ago now cite him as a learned, reasonable Republican.

The president's executive order is narrowly tailored. It allows for military tribunals against a non-U.S. citizen if there is "reason to believe" the person is or was a member of al-Qaeda and "has engaged in, aided or abetted, or conspired to commit" acts of terrorism against U.S. interests, or is preparing to do so. Tribunals are straightforward in their application, used for those carrying out war crimes.

Much of the anti-military-tribunal howl centers on the fact that the proceedings are held in secret. However, it is eminently reasonable to think that as we pursue our war against terror, the public prosecution of individuals who are part of a worldwide conspiracy to murder as many Americans as possible would be harmful to a wide variety of U.S. interests. Classified information whose secrecy is critical to future U.S. investigations could be compromised — such as the identity of double agents, specifics of other terrorist plots and the details of the covert techniques used by our government to prevent them.

And let's not forget: The media have a built-in conflict of interest in assessing the pros and cons of the secrecy of military tribunals. It would be great business for the media if the tribunals were public, but what about for our country? If you thought the anchor-jockeying for the Gary Condit interview was vicious, imagine what Diane, Larry, Ted or Barbara would do to get the first Osama bin Laden TV sit-down.

In wartime, it is incumbent upon our commander in chief to make the safeguarding of U.S. citizens his top priority. By authorizing military commissions, he sends an important deterrent message to aspiring terrorists worldwide: If you set out to kill Americans — whatever your justification — you will pay swiftly and severely.

With the Taliban near total collapse, it is likely that military tribunals have already been convened at home or abroad. As Catholic University law school dean Douglas Kmiec pointed out, this is not just about punishment. The tribunals "are extensions of the military campaign" to prevent future attacks, which Congress has authorized the president to do.

Imagine what fun bin Laden would have dragging out a trial in U.S. federal court, his pre-trial objections and deft courtroom maneuvers carried by his own "dream team" of $600-an-hour lawyers. Should families of the victims of Sept. 11 be forced to endure media coverage of terrorists' trials and the lengthy appeals that would follow? (With thousands of al-Qaeda members worldwide, a new cable network could be launched to accommodate wall-to-wall trial coverage — TTV, Terrorism Television.)

Some have floated the idea that we mete out wartime justice through an international panel of judges — something akin to the United Nations war-crimes tribunal now trying former Yugoslavian president Slobodan Milosevic. Do we really need a permission slip from the U.N. to try the people who planned and organized the Sept. 11 attacks?

Although it is true, as the president has said, that terrorism threatens all civilized nations, we are fighting this war for our national interest first, not for some U.N.-scripted new world order. That we welcome and seek cooperation in the war against terror is irrelevant to the fact that it is our national right and responsibility to defend our citizens against those who want to do us harm, and our leaders' duty to find them and bring them to justice.

Farming out our judicial interests for the "global good" would set the terrible precedent that we do not have the sovereign right as a nation to capture and try people who have murdered or plan to murder our innocent citizens. Whatever damage military tribunals do to our international reputation, we risk far greater damage to our national psyche if non-citizen terrorists are allowed to exploit our system and our national pain in prolonged and costly courtroom dramas. Do any of the president's naysayers remember his visit to an Islamic center only days after the attacks? Or his subsequent gestures to reassure Muslim-Americans?

If Democrats and their civil-libertarian compatriots want to take up the case of terrorist rights in the 2002 elections, Republicans will be smiling all the way to electoral gains. Bush continues to maintain overwhelming public support for his war against terror because he is aggressively pursuing terrorists and those who harbor them. The administration has struck a balance between the public's right to know and the need to destroy al-Qaeda before it strikes again.

Bush knows that the media beast will always be hungry for more. But military tribunals, which avert the possibility of a media spectacle for militant martyrs and safeguard classified information, give this country what it deserves after Sept. 11 — streamlined justice for war criminals.

Laura Ingraham, a former Supreme Court clerk, hosts a radio program syndicated by Westwood One. She is a member of USA TODAY's board of contributors.

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1 posted on 11/30/2001 6:49:22 PM PST by Lady In Blue
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To: exodus; zog; Native American Female Vet
"They're literally dismantling justice and the justice system as we know it," bellowed Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif. Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., said, "These procedures belong in a Soviet state or a dictatorship, not in a free society."

If ya'll side with Maxine Waters, I'll tell you in advance there is no hope for you.

2 posted on 11/30/2001 6:53:27 PM PST by JD86
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To: JD86
Now,who would want Maxine "bellowing"at them?! lol!
3 posted on 11/30/2001 7:01:53 PM PST by Lady In Blue
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To: Lady In Blue
Not me. In fact my new favorite tactic is to put the tv on mute and watch her mouth go on and on and on....it is kinda funny if you don't have to listen to her...:)
4 posted on 11/30/2001 7:04:05 PM PST by JD86
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To: JD86; zog; Native American Female Vet; Demidog
I would never agree with Maxine Waters about anything.

I do agree with Bob Barr, though.
Secret trials?
Maybe in wartime, but we are not at war.

5 posted on 11/30/2001 7:09:51 PM PST by exodus
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To: exodus
Silly boy, you have been reading the liberal propaganda again. How do you equate military tribunals with secret trials?
6 posted on 11/30/2001 7:11:33 PM PST by JD86
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To: exodus
we are not at war.

How many times do we have to be attacked before you think we are at war?

7 posted on 11/30/2001 7:14:13 PM PST by JD86
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To: exodus
Secret trials?

The secret part of secret trials that is valid is as in not public....not on tv...not a jury that the terrorists can go target their families or a courthouse the terrorists can bomb. But the rule of law is still applied. These aren't judges with hoods covering their faces. BUT if that still bothers you I have an alternative suggestion. Let's not try any of them. Let's just kill them all and let God sort 'em out.

8 posted on 11/30/2001 7:17:30 PM PST by JD86
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To: exodus
Hello McFly...............is anyone there? Is 5000 dead not enough for you. You are surely kidding. That is a dumb statement. A formal declaration of war is just a piece of paper at this point. We ARE at war. Think.
9 posted on 11/30/2001 7:20:06 PM PST by TheCause
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To: JD86
To: exodus
Silly boy,
you have been reading the liberal propaganda again.
How do you equate military tribunals with secret trials?
# 6 by JD86
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From here, ABC News.

Secret Justice
Memo: Ashcroft Orders Closed Courts

"The Attorney General has implemented additional security procedures for certain cases in the immigration court," says a Sept. 21 e-mail from Chief Immigration Judge Michael Creppy to his subordinates. "Those procedures require us to hold the hearing individually, to close the hearing to the public and to avoid discussing the case or otherwise disclosing the case to anyone outside the Immigration Court."

A related memorandum, marked "PLEASE DO NOT DISCLOSE," gives the following detailed instructions for handling the cases:

• "Because some of these cases may ultimately involve classified evidence, the cases are to be assigned only to judges who currently hold at least a secret clearance."

• "The courtroom must be closed for these cases — no visitors, no family and no press."

• "The record of proceeding is not to be released to anyone except an attorney or representative (of the person charged.) This restriction on information includes confirming or denying whether such a case is on the docket or scheduled for a hearing."

The memo also tells court clerks to code the cases
in a way that keeps the docket information,
generally a matter of public record, secret.

The coding also keeps the cases from appearing on posted court calendars.

10 posted on 11/30/2001 7:25:28 PM PST by exodus
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To: JD86
Maxine honey, the justice system as you know it just plain sucks! I am sure you want to use it, as it seems that it is ran by all liberals who just slap criminals on the hand, and lets them go!
Thank you President Bush, and hey Maxie, NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE!
In our court system, there would be no justice. War crimes call for Military trials!
11 posted on 11/30/2001 7:27:01 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: exodus
I still don't see a problem. We let them have an attorney, what more do you want?
12 posted on 11/30/2001 7:29:23 PM PST by JD86
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To: JD86
"...I do agree with Bob Barr, though.
Secret trials?
Maybe in wartime, but we are not at war.
# 5 by exodus
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To: exodus
"How many times do we have to be attacked
before you think we are at war?"
# 7 by JD86

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It doesn't require an attack, JD86.

All the Constitution requires
is a Declaration of War from Congress.

13 posted on 11/30/2001 7:30:27 PM PST by exodus
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To: ladyinred
Considering all the Congress ran like wimps from a little white powder I am certain they wouldn't be brave enough to sit on a public jury....but what else is new. Of course, they ask other people to do what they won't.

By the way I have a friend on active duty who is really PO'd about how the Congress acted. He says they should take the antibiotic and go back to work....!!!!! (Sorry, off topic..rant over.)

14 posted on 11/30/2001 7:32:44 PM PST by JD86
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To: exodus
An attack might not be required, but we sure as hell got one. I say Hang 'em High!
15 posted on 11/30/2001 7:34:01 PM PST by JD86
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To: exodus
All the Constitution requires is a Declaration of War from Congress.

Congress has declared war in the form of the resolution granting Bush the authority to wage war. I'd have preferred a different format--a piece of paper actually entitled "Declaration of War," but the more tacit approach works if that's what makes the spineless Congresscritters happy.

16 posted on 11/30/2001 7:40:19 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: JD86
"...I do agree with Bob Barr, though.
Secret trials?
Maybe in wartime, but we are not at war.
# 5 by exodus
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To: exodus
Secret trials?

The secret part of secret trials that is valid is as in not public....not on tv...not a jury that the terrorists can go target their families or a courthouse the terrorists can bomb. But the rule of law is still applied. These aren't judges with hoods covering their faces...

# 6 by JD86

************

I know what secret means, JD86.

Because I know what secret means,
I know how information denied to citizens can be used to justify any abuse of power.

Remember Waco? The Davidians begged for news coverage. They had signs hanging from their windows asking for newsmen. They weren't allowed telephones, and the shortwave was jammed by the government. Why?

The government spokesman said "because it would only drum up sympathy for the Davidians."
Actually, what it would have done is call attention to the planned massacre of the Davidians.

Secrecy is bad, JD86.
It only helps the tyrant.

17 posted on 11/30/2001 7:43:55 PM PST by exodus
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To: TheCause
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To: exodus Hello McFly...............is anyone there?
Is 5000 dead not enough for you. You are surely kidding. That is a dumb statement.
A formal declaration of war is just a piece of paper at this point.
We ARE at war.
Think.
# 9 by TheCause

************

A formal Declaration of War is just an unimportant detail?
Oh, posh.

It's only a requirement of the Constitution,
which I'm sure you consider an unimportant piece of paper.

18 posted on 11/30/2001 7:50:22 PM PST by exodus
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To: exodus
Okay...you went off topic...and I know I will be flamed for what I am about to say...but what the hey...

the Davidians wanted to be martyrs, the government obliged, both were stupid. It didn't have to happen but there is more than enough blame for both sides.

Now back to this thread. You are concerned about exactly what in the military tribunals? There will be a judge, the accused gets an attorney (which we have to pay for)...the trial is conducted according to the rules of evidence. Just because the dadgummed press can't be there to make it a three ring circus, you are worried about the rights of the terrorists? Not me. Besides, I think we are going above and beyond to give them a trial with rights of representation, etc. Tell me how many rights the people in NYC, the Pentagon and the airway over PA had on 9/11. Tell me how the terrorists played by the rules.

19 posted on 11/30/2001 7:52:10 PM PST by JD86
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To: ladyinred
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To: JD86
"...War crimes call for Military trials!
# 11 by ladyinred

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Yes, war crimes call for a military trial.

When we go to war, we should have military trials.

20 posted on 11/30/2001 7:53:51 PM PST by exodus
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