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Guest Comment: Rep. Ron Paul on Military Courts
Insight Magazine ^ | Dec. 5, 2001 | Rep. Ron Paul

Posted on 12/05/2001 7:04:50 AM PST by hank45

Suddenly the fix for terrorism seems to be secret military tribunals on American soil. Have so many Americans really lost confidence in our institutions?

Well, I am happy to report that there is nothing broken about our system of justice. Executive orders authorizing secret trials on American soil, however, send a very different message to America and the world. That is a shame. It is one thing to hold a military-style trial for an enemy captured in conflict abroad, and I don't think many would argue otherwise. It is entirely different, though, when government asserts a right to take people off the streets of our own country and try them in secret - where in some cases death is to be the punishment.

There have been many arguments for why setting up military tribunals on U.S. soil is a good idea. None of them are compelling. Many have cited three-ring circus celebrity trials in the past as justification for secret trials of suspected terrorists. Secret trials might be more orderly, that is true, but ask anyone who has suffered under a totalitarian regime whether is it worth sacrificing justice for "efficiency."

Others have warned that civil trials of terrorism suspects will result in leaks of intelligence information. This too is unconvincing. There are already mechanisms in place to protect sensitive information from being compromised in trial, and many such trials have been held.

Some - even conservatives - have offered the example of President Franklin Roosevelt's use of a military court to try a group of Nazi saboteurs during World War II. It is curious to see FDR as a model for conservatives, but nevertheless we were in a declared war and those captured were agents of a country with which we were in an active state of war. We are not currently in a state of war, despite what pundits might claim.

Also worth consideration is the fact that this executive order does not prescribe standard military trials held under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for suspects. Whereas the UCMJ requires unanimity in capital cases, this new military court requires only two-thirds agreement, even to deliver a sentence of death. Also, Fifth Amendment guarantees are compromised in this new court, as is the right to appeal and other due process guarantees.

Finally, it is argued that only terrorists are to be subjected to these secret courts. But how do we decide someone is a terrorist before a trial? That sounds an awful lot like government deciding guilt before a show trial. More troubling, under recently passed "anti-terrorism" legislation, the definition of "terrorism" for federal criminal purposes has been greatly expanded. A person can now be considered a terrorist for belonging to a pro-constitution group, a citizen militia, or a pro-life organization. How long before these "terrorists" are subject to secret trials?

Who cares, supporters will say. After all, only foreigners are to be tried under these courts and we all know only American citizens are afforded the benefits of our judicial system. Fortunately our founding fathers saw things differently, as they drew up a system that recognized the fundamental rights of all humanity and created a model for constitutional governance. Do Americans really expect Germany or Holland, for example, to disregard their own laws when trying Americans suspected of crimes in their countries? Of course not.

Again, supporters of military tribunals promise that only foreigners are to be tried in these secret trials. But what is to come next? What if a U.S. citizen is suspected of working closely with terrorists in one of their cells? Would it be a huge leap in this case to include him in the military trials of his partners in crime?

Americans now more than ever must trust the great constitutional institutions that have served us well for more than 200 years. The separation of powers and rule of law are cornerstones. Remove them and our way of life will quickly crumble.

Rep. Ron Paul is a Republican from Texas.


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I usually always agree with Paul, but I'm torn on this one.
1 posted on 12/05/2001 7:04:50 AM PST by hank45 (hankpeus@yahoo.com)
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To: hank45
Ron hit a home run with this one. Wonder how may posts before some foxhole dweller calls him a "traitor".
2 posted on 12/05/2001 7:11:35 AM PST by Leroy S. Mort
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3 posted on 12/05/2001 7:11:50 AM PST by WIMom
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To: hank45; *Ron Paul List
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4 posted on 12/05/2001 7:13:30 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: hank45
Declared war, schmar. This is pure baloney. There is nothing---I hope some of you can read---NOTHING in the Constitution that says that these tribunals have to have a "declared war." Andrew Jackson hanged TWO British suspected spies, and was supported by the courts and the voters.

I don't call Ron Paul a traitor, but I do think he is so out of touch as to be irrelevant, which was his point in writing this: "see me, look at me." This, of course, has been the radical Libertarian position since Harry Browne and Pat Buchanan split a whopping 2% of the vote.

5 posted on 12/05/2001 7:16:29 AM PST by LS
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To: LS
I don't call Ron Paul a traitor, but I do think he is so out of touch as to be irrelevant.

That's ironic. Another Freeper told me the same thing about Ben Franklin recently.

7 posted on 12/05/2001 7:25:05 AM PST by Leroy S. Mort
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To: hank45
Dr Paul has made this position on the floor a few days ago. He and Barr seem to be in lock step as they were for early impeachment of clinton. I don't agree but their caution is making some points.The undeclared war is one.
8 posted on 12/05/2001 8:20:25 AM PST by larryjohnson
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To: hank45
"I usually always agree with Paul, but I'm torn on this one."

You shouldn't be. The clear and obvious remedy is for the spineless congress to declare war.

9 posted on 12/05/2001 8:26:17 AM PST by Tauzero
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To: LS
"Andrew Jackson hanged TWO British suspected spies, and was supported by the courts and the voters."

Not coincidentally, the Jacksonian revolution in the politics of presidential elections was an omen of decline.

10 posted on 12/05/2001 8:27:55 AM PST by Tauzero
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To: hank45
Like you, I also agree with Rep. Ron Paul's stand on many issues, but not on this one.We have lost 4,000 innocent, unsuspecting fellow Americans on 9/11, our soldiers are dying fighting to protect our lives, liberty, and pursuit for happeness(we are at war). There are several preceedence for military tribunals in our history which did not have a negative impact on our liberty. I for one trust President GWB that he will not abuse, and pervert the extraordinary war power the people of The USA have gievn him. If he betrays this trust, then I will be 1st to shout foul, and will do my outmost to oppose him, and his administration. Thus far, I only see that he is doing his best for the good, and safety of the American People.
11 posted on 12/05/2001 8:32:42 AM PST by desertcry
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To: Tauzero
Yet another reason not to vote Libertarian; if the Libertarians were prosecuting the war we’re fighting, we would have to procure millions of white surrender flags. Whoever keeps printing these Ron Paul posts, please do not stop. Between you and Harry Browne's recent interviews regarding the war, the Libertarian cause is being damaged in no small way. The only people who vote Libertarian are stunted to some degree anyway, but you and good ole Harry will keep otherwise gullible conservatives from voting Libertarian, a party that is not conservative nor Christian in any way, shape, form, or fashion.....
12 posted on 12/05/2001 8:38:39 AM PST by Malcolm
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13 posted on 12/05/2001 8:45:30 AM PST by 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember
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To: Malcolm
"Whoever keeps printing these Ron Paul posts, please do not stop."

Rest assured, we won't. :)

14 posted on 12/05/2001 8:48:00 AM PST by Tauzero
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To: Malcolm
Dude. Just shut the hell up. LP Press Release.
15 posted on 12/05/2001 9:10:25 AM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: Tauzero
I despise Jackson and think he did terrible damage to the country. But my point was that the COURTS did not censure him, nor did Pres. James Monroe. (Is he a communist too?) I would have to check, but I don't think either House of Congress passed a censure measure, and that would include people such as Daniel Webster, the Buchananites hero, John C. Calhoun, and "Mr. Small Government" (as one Libertarian recently wrote) Martin Van Buren.

There is nothing whatsoever unconstitutional or even disturbing about these tribunals for NON-CITIZENS, no matter where they take place.

16 posted on 12/05/2001 12:48:11 PM PST by LS
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To: LS
"There is nothing whatsoever unconstitutional or even disturbing about these tribunals for NON-CITIZENS, no matter where they take place."

I will concede this much: Congress -- congress, mind you -- has the authority to define and punish crimes against the law of nations.

Let me ask you this: would these tribunals be disturbing for citizens? If so, why?

17 posted on 12/05/2001 1:17:10 PM PST by Tauzero
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