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Folk music? Sounds like hell, culture minister says
The Times (UK) ^ | 12/05/2001 | Dalya Alberge and Helen Studd

Posted on 12/05/2001 5:42:52 PM PST by dighton

A MINISTER whose job is to promote culture and the arts is facing the music today after insulting the county most associated with England’s centuries-old folk music tradition.

Kim Howells, Parliamentary Under-Secretary at the Department for Culture, Media and Sport, said the idea of listening to Somerset folk singers was his idea of hell. His remark followed a question about restrictions on the numbers of musicians permitted to play together in licensed premises.

Somerset played a leading part in English folk music through out the last century, beginning with the work of Cecil Sharp, founder of the English Folk Dance and Song Society. Later the tradition continued with bands such as The Wurzels, the Western Country Dance Band and the Yetties.

Sharp spent most of his career in Somerset researching the origins of its folk music. He rediscovered much of the area’s traditional music that was played in the 17th and 18th centuries, which was already on the verge of being lost and forgotten in the early 1900s.

He first watched Morris men perform in the county in 1895 and shortly afterwards began his life’s work collecting and documenting the dances. Bands such as Roots Quartet continue to play Sharp’s songs to audiences across the county and have recently produced a CD of music he collected.

Wally Dent, agent for The Wurzels, said: “It’s disgusting that someone in such a role as Dr Howells should make such inappropriate and ill-informed remarks. I suggest he spends a little more time around this area and learns about its musical traditions.”

Martin Carthy, the guitarist and singer regarded as one of the most influential figures in English folk music, whose admirers are said to include Bob Dylan, said: “Musicians have a tough enough time without a prat like that.” Hamish Birchall, a folk drummer, said: “If that’s a joke, it’s a very bad joke, particularly coming from a culture minister.”

Somerset is also the home to music festivals such as Glastonbury, while P.J. Harvey, who was last week voted the greatest female rock and pop artist all time, is the daughter of a Dorset farmer.

Ian Smith, organiser of the Musicians’ Union’s folk, roots and traditional music section, said he believed that the folk and acoustic world has never been bigger.

In the Commons exchange David Heath, Liberal Democrat MP for Somerton and Frome, said: “Is it not ridiculous that, in the unlikely event of Michael Jackson and Madonna teaming up to do a gig down the local pub, they could do so, yet three people singing Somerset folk songs would not be able to do so?” It is a criminal offence for more than two to play together in pubs and restaurants, which means that a quiet jazz piano trio or a string quartet are barred while karaoke or discos are permitted.

Dr Howells was quick to respond to Mr Heath: “For a simple urban boy such as me, the idea of listening to three Somerset folk singers sounds like hell,” he said.

Copyright 2001 Times Newspapers Ltd.


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1 posted on 12/05/2001 5:42:52 PM PST by dighton
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To: dighton
The so-called culture minister sounds like an idiot to me.
2 posted on 12/05/2001 5:47:34 PM PST by Gimlet
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To: dighton
It is a criminal offence for more than two to play together in pubs and restaurants, which means that a quiet jazz piano trio or a string quartet are barred while karaoke or discos are permitted

I won't even ask...

3 posted on 12/05/2001 5:57:51 PM PST by Cleburne
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To: dighton
The guys comment was inappropriate, but I tend to agree.

I personally cannot stand bluegrass music or the American 'folk' music or any 'folk' music.

Different strokes, I guess.

4 posted on 12/05/2001 5:57:57 PM PST by Looking4Truth
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To: dighton
"Folk is music for fat people..."

Bob Dylan, after going electric at Newport.

5 posted on 12/05/2001 5:58:52 PM PST by IncPen
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6 posted on 12/05/2001 6:36:48 PM PST by petuniasevan
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To: IncPen
He should have known if anyone did: When he performed a solo acoustic concert at Carnegie Hall in 1964, his evening's repertoire consisted entirely of new material that consisted entirely of more personal songs, many of which were love songs - and most of which made up the content of his fourth album, Another Side of Bob Dylan. The smugger-than-thou folkie press of the time (Broadside, Sing Out!, et. al.) ripped him a new one, demanding he not change and not give up on protest songs; Sing Out!'s editor wrote a long diatribe whose most telling line was this: I wouldn't have minded if he had sung just one song about the war. That was when he began to get the idea that the protest folk movement wasn't quite what it cracked itself up to be, though he sure did get a more vivid example at the Newport festival to which you allude: Pete Seeger threatening (and, depending on whom you believe), trying to cut the cables to his amplifiers with an ax - though Seeger turned up a few months later with a new album on which he used half the members of the Blues Project, an electric blues group, as his support band!
7 posted on 12/05/2001 6:48:20 PM PST by BluesDuke
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To: petuniasevan; MozartLover; Romulus; Orual
Perfect, petuniasevan. Thanks.

William Hogarth, The Enraged Musician, 1741.

8 posted on 12/05/2001 6:53:16 PM PST by dighton
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To: Looking4Truth
Listening to Allison Kraus would change your mind.
9 posted on 12/05/2001 7:32:24 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: dighton
All a matter of taste, I guess.

(Brings to mind a story I was once told about a large concert venue. Supposedly there are two doors in the back where the talent enters - one is marked MUSICIANS and the other DRUMMERS).

10 posted on 12/05/2001 7:41:21 PM PST by strela
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To: Looking4Truth; dighton
English and American folk music is a treasure trove of complex harmony and sophisticated lyric. I am not surprised that a politician whose party is bought and paid for by multinanational corporations surfing waves of manufactured popularity should be hostile to a native and authentic tradition.
11 posted on 12/05/2001 9:36:38 PM PST by Romulus
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To: Romulus
If I had a hammer.... I'd chase after all the folk musicians and run them all outa town! :)
12 posted on 12/05/2001 9:40:18 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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BLUEGRASS is AWSOME. If you don't like it, I have to wonder if you ever gave it a chance.
13 posted on 12/05/2001 9:45:57 PM PST by Whey
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To: eddie willers
Listening to Allison Kraus would change your mind.

I'll second that. (It did mine.)

14 posted on 12/05/2001 9:52:49 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: dighton; MadIvan

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15 posted on 12/05/2001 9:56:08 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: dighton
A little history on the violin:

It comes from the word 'violer' which means 'to fiddle'.

Classic violinists once laughed at fiddlers because they would hold
their violins under their chins, instead of the more accepted way, on the shoulder.

16 posted on 12/05/2001 10:01:38 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: Cleburne
Similar laws exist in the states too. A friend of mine owns a bar in Baltimore, and one of the conditions in their liquor license is that any bands playing there must consist of no more than three members.

At first I thought that it was because the place is so small, but there's another place down the street barely half their size who appears to have no band member limit (then again they've been known to sell beer to high-school-age kids) I don't get it.

17 posted on 12/05/2001 10:09:33 PM PST by cold_vicious_logic
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To: Cleburne
It is a criminal offence for more than two to play together in pubs and restaurants, which means that a quiet jazz piano trio or a string quartet are barred while karaoke or discos are permitted

IIRC, it's some sort of stupid union work law ... if you want to have more than two people, you have to pay for a more expensive business license, or guarantee an obscene amount of money to the musicians, or something like that.

18 posted on 12/05/2001 10:10:11 PM PST by Timesink
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To: Romulus
English and American folk music is a treasure trove of complex harmony and sophisticated lyric. I am not surprised that a politician whose party is bought and paid for by multinanational corporations surfing waves of manufactured popularity should be hostile to a native and authentic tradition.

Whoa, slow down a little there.

I absolutely love some of the lyrics I have heard in various types of folk music. It is life in a nutshell. And there are some very good harmonies. I just don't like the 'vibe', if you will.

And before you accuse anyone of being 'bought and paid for by multinational corporations surfing waves of manufactured popularity', let me tell you that the music in my head is the best music in the world. (No I'm not smoking weed right now, either.)

Sometimes I isolate myself from the media and popular music so I can clear my head out for the 'original?' music that comes to me.

Folk music to me is kind of like 'dance music' of today, I can appreciate where it is coming from, but I'm not going to go and buy the CDs.

19 posted on 12/06/2001 1:46:27 AM PST by Looking4Truth
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To: dighton
Great Hogarth.

Later the tradition continued with bands such as The Wurzels, the Western Country Dance Band and the Yetties.

(Thomas) Hardy's love of the musical folk of Dorset is beautifully illustrated by this quote from 'Under The Greenwood Tree':

Your brass man is a rafting dog, well and good,
Your reed man is dab hand at stirring ye, well and good,
Your drum man is a rare bowel shaker, good again,
But I don't care who hears me say it
Nothing can spake to your heart with the sweetness of a man of strings

Er, a "rare bowel shaker"? Maybe they should look elsewhere for inspiration.

20 posted on 12/06/2001 2:23:52 AM PST by Orual
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