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What is Scientology and why is it viewed in a negative light?
12/7/01 | FReeplancer

Posted on 12/06/2001 10:42:19 PM PST by freeplancer

Alright you late nighters, I am very sincere about wanting to know the basics of what Scientology is. I tried doing a search, but way to complicated, so someone throw the dog a bone and give me the basic jist of it all. I know there are many celebrities that are members, and that fact alone makes me raise a brow. If anyone has the goiters to tell it like it is, I am waiting. Thanks


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1 posted on 12/06/2001 10:42:19 PM PST by freeplancer
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To: freeplancer
Read about it here: Operation Calmbake

Posting too much of their "copyrighted religion" in public might get FR slapped with a lawsuit.

2 posted on 12/06/2001 10:49:41 PM PST by dell Arpa
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To: freeplancer
A cult founded by dead author L. Ron Hubbard that is favored by celebrities and transients.
3 posted on 12/06/2001 10:50:02 PM PST by PRND21
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To: freeplancer
L. Ron Hubbard started off writing science fiction books & then converted them into religious rubbage.
4 posted on 12/06/2001 10:52:10 PM PST by Colofornian
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Scientology is a silly fiction turned into a scam by the science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard. he wrote pretty bad fiction, but in one of his stories he introduced the idea of a novel futuristic science/religion called scientology.

Among the sort of goofballs and nerds who liked his stuff, astonishingly, it took off as a sort of cult thing; like studying the Klingon language is for certain Trekkies.

Hubbard was really a flaming sociopath in his private life, and he knew a chance to fleece the lambs when he saw one.

The rest, as they say, is history.

5 posted on 12/06/2001 10:54:17 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: freeplancer
Scientology claims it cannot define God for any individual, who must know God for himself. However, Scientology publications often assume definitions of God that are contrary to the God of the Bible. Example: "There are gods above all others gods, and gods beyond the gods of the universe..." L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology 8-8008, p. 73
6 posted on 12/06/2001 10:54:35 PM PST by Colofornian
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Unlike the Bible, which defines man as inclined to do evil since the Fall, according to Hubbard "man is basically good but he could not attain expression of this until now. Nobody but the individual could die for his own sins--to arrange things otherwise was to keep man in chains." (Hubbard, The Volunteer Minister's Handbook, p. 349)

So with a few written lines here & there, Hubbard says Jesus can't die for your sins...in fact, he said to say so "was to keep man in chains."

Instead of salvation, the goal of scientologists is "Total Spiritual Freedom" (Hubbard, Axioms & Logics, inside front cover). This can be helped along by becoming "clear"...

"Two and a half thousand yrs. ago a handful of clears civilized half a billion people. What if we were all clear. Neither Lord Buddha nor Jesus Christ were OT's according to the evidence. They were just short above clear." (Hubbard, Certainty Magazine, vol. 5, no. 10)

7 posted on 12/06/2001 11:00:11 PM PST by Colofornian
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Scientology is a system that combines a type of psychotherapy with a quasi religion. In the therapeutic part an auditor uses something called an e-meter to sense emotionally energized areas in a person't mind. In reality their e-meter is a galvanic skin response machine that measures differences in skin resistance caused by fear.

This may, in some cases, be mildly beneficial. In other cases the auditing may produce more severe mental disorder.

I investigated the group at one time in my personal life. What I found is that the higher levels of scientologists couldn't actually so what they claimed to be able to do. In response to my questions they asked me to leave. In my opinion, it's a nutty crowd to get mixed up with.

8 posted on 12/06/2001 11:03:39 PM PST by RLK
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Scientology is perhaps the most sue-happy of any of the cults. They have taken more former members & other authors to have written things about them to court than perhaps any other cult as a means to stifle critique.

Even when they haven't won outright in court, some of the authors they have taken on they have sought to bleed them dry.

9 posted on 12/06/2001 11:03:55 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: freeplancer
http://www.urbanlegends.com/religion/hubbard_heinlein_bet.html
11 posted on 12/06/2001 11:11:21 PM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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I view it in a negative light because of all that "Jesus is not God" stuff they teach.
12 posted on 12/06/2001 11:13:14 PM PST by MitchellC
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They harm people for money in the name of religion.
13 posted on 12/06/2001 11:15:24 PM PST by D-fendr
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To: freeplancer
Scientology is worse than just a scam.... IMO, its occultic. If you read about L. Ron Hubbard, supposedly his friend and mentor was Aleister Crowley, the well-known satanist. (whether this is a fact or not, I'm not sure... just telling you what I've read)

Does anyone know about Hubbard's connection to Crowley and occultism?

14 posted on 12/06/2001 11:15:35 PM PST by incindiary
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Parsons' partners in the metaphysical "Babalon" adventure were his ex-wife's sister, Betty, and a pre-Dianetics Hubbard. Hubbard, later discharged from the Navy on medical grounds, assisted Parsons as a "scribe" during a "sex magick" ceremony in which the "whore of Babylon" was invoked to attract an "elemental" with whom Parsons could conceive a "moonchild" to usher in a new age.

Carter's description is based on incomplete records, but it seems that the ceremony involved annointing objects with menstrual blood, invoking spells and incantations, and Parsons' act of masturbating (using his "magic wand"). The "elemental" arrived soon after in the form of a woman named Marjorie Cameron, who would later become Parsons' second wife and an underground figure in her own right.

Parsons and Cameron were unable to conceive a "moonchild" -- or any children at all, and Parsons' remaining years were a rapid descent into chaos and failure. Hubbard, who later founded the Church of Scientology, absconded to Miami with Betty and most of Parsons' money, which they apparently used to buy a boat. Parsons pursued the pair only to find that Hubbard had already set sail.

Sex and Rockets: The Occult World of Jack Parsons

17 posted on 12/06/2001 11:21:21 PM PST by dell Arpa
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To: freeplancer
If you are interested in learning about "Scientology" from the Christian perspective, I would recommend you read about it in "The Kingdom of the Cults" by Walter Martin.
18 posted on 12/06/2001 11:21:40 PM PST by nightdriver
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Holy cow. I had no idea it was that big of an entity. I am clicking on all of your links when I see them, and I cannot believe it. This is truly a monster. I am finding all of this very intriquing. Thanks to everyone.
19 posted on 12/06/2001 11:22:32 PM PST by freeplancer
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To: Colofornian
Instead of salvation, the goal of scientologists is "Total Spiritual Freedom" (Hubbard, Axioms & Logics, inside front cover). This can be helped along by becoming "clear"... "Two and a half thousand yrs. ago a handful of clears civilized half a billion people. What if we were all clear. Neither Lord Buddha nor Jesus Christ were OT's according to the evidence. They were just short above clear." (Hubbard, Certainty Magazine, vol. 5, no. 10)

And to become "clear", or even semi-clear, one must take expensive Scientology courses.

20 posted on 12/06/2001 11:23:30 PM PST by NYCVirago
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