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This just might turn me into a Linux bigot <vanity>
Mandrake Linux ^ | me

Posted on 12/08/2001 2:31:06 PM PST by AfghanAirShow

Okay, I've dabbled with various flavors of Linux over the years, but have always ended up using Windows for my day-to-day stuff since it seemed like just about everything was a pain in the a** to accomplish with Linux. Sure, you could get it done and the learning experience was always fun at first, but still...

So, anyway, I downloaded the Mandrake Linux 8.1 ISOs just to give a try, and I'm just floored at how far the setup and the desktop have come along since I looked last. The setup found and configured everything except for the modem (www.linmodems.org will take care of that), and this is on a Compaq Armada M700 laptop (P3/850, 256MB). What amazed me most was that it found and configured my Lucent Orinoco 802.11b wireless PC-Card NIC and setup all the proper networking params without any fuss.

The KDE desktop is familiar-looking territory for Windows users, and the Konqueror web browser is pretty slick. It's not IE, but very nice. I've got the laptop set up now to dual-boot Linux and WinXP, and so far Mandrake 8.1 is just impressing the heck outta me.


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1 posted on 12/08/2001 2:31:06 PM PST by AfghanAirShow
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To: AfghanAirShow
good
2 posted on 12/08/2001 2:34:00 PM PST by dennisw
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To: AfghanAirShow
This is great news! I have tried Linux before, and never really saw that it fit any need other than saving a couple hundred dollars in exchange for a more painful setup experience. I have a some old computers at home that do random things like playing MP3s, and the $100 for a Windows XP upgrade looks big compared with just chucking the computer and buying an MP3 player. Upgrading to a newer Linux is looking more and more like the right solution for hand-me-down computers that you want to get off the MS upgrade price treadmill.
3 posted on 12/08/2001 2:38:36 PM PST by eno_
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To: AfghanAirShow
Do you have a DVD-rom drive?
4 posted on 12/08/2001 2:40:28 PM PST by marajade
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To: marajade
An Apple a day.................
5 posted on 12/08/2001 2:44:19 PM PST by billhilly
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To: AfghanAirShow
I was impressed by Mandrake 8.1 as well. But then, everything I do in school is in one part of the MS Office suite or another, or in the Visual Studio, so I killed the Mandrake partition and went back to 98. I installed 2000 Pro the other day, and have to say that I was just as impressed with that as I was with Mandrake. Install went smooth as silk, the only driver I had to go out and find was the driver for my digital film reader. It already had the required driver for my NIC, and then popped up and reported that it had found an updated driver and wanted to know if I wanted to install.

That, and the system seems to run a lot faster and smoother under 2000 Pro than it did under 98. Originally, it was going to be a temporary experiement in the OS, but I think I'm going to keep it.

6 posted on 12/08/2001 2:51:56 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: AfghanAirShow
thing is, mandrake is the distribution most beset with quality control problems. redhat 7.2, suse 7.3, or even the current caldera (though it's gotten out if the hobbyist distro business) will demonstrate all the ease of use features you mention, plus, pretty much everything works.

dep

7 posted on 12/08/2001 2:53:47 PM PST by dep
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To: eno_
Yep, it's getting to be much more of a realistic alternative. The setup and ease of use have come a long way just this year alone -- it just impresses the heck outta me what they've been able to do with the setup and install. If, as mentioned in another response, Red Hat and other distributions have improved this much also, then there's more choices out there than you think.
8 posted on 12/08/2001 3:14:18 PM PST by AfghanAirShow
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To: marajade
Yep -- it has a DVD-ROM drive but I haven't gotten around to trying DVD playback yet.
9 posted on 12/08/2001 3:15:19 PM PST by AfghanAirShow
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To: Tennessee_Bob
I like Win2K much better than W98... my main desktop machine (1.4G Athlon, 512MB DDR, GeForce3) has Win2K on it and it's worked very well. 98 is okay if you need it for certain games, but that's about it.
10 posted on 12/08/2001 3:18:47 PM PST by AfghanAirShow
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To: AfghanAirShow
Going with Windows is like buying a car with the hood welded shut. You don't have the low level access that you need to keep the system properly tuned, so after a while it just tends to deteriorate.

With Linux, one has the option of getting "under the hood"...and it's simply having the option that intimidates many potential users.

11 posted on 12/08/2001 3:21:30 PM PST by The Duke
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To: The Duke
With Linux, one has the option of getting "under the hood"...and it's simply having the option that intimidates many potential users.

It's not so much that having the option is intimidating, it's when you have get under the hood to get it to do something that you need it to do. I don't mind mucking around with the source and re-compiling if I'm doing it for fun on a machine that I can happily reformat and start over with, but I sure wouldn't want to have to do that on a production machine just to get something done. It seems as if the later distributions of Linux are making that a thing of the past; the last thing I played with was Red Hat 7.0 and it took a fair amount of fussing around (and learning) to get an early version of wlan-ng to build clean so that I could get the wireless networking stuff to work, but Mandrake 8.1 set it all up during the install and I never had to leave the couch. :)

12 posted on 12/08/2001 3:47:36 PM PST by AfghanAirShow
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To: AfghanAirShow
Good luck unless you know how to write your own driver.
13 posted on 12/08/2001 4:25:07 PM PST by marajade
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To: marajade
That's the beauty of a multi-boot system... when I can't get one partition to do what I want, there's always the other until I figure it out.
14 posted on 12/08/2001 4:39:09 PM PST by AfghanAirShow
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To: AfghanAirShow
Try taking a look at Redmond Linux. They are focusing explicitly on making the desktop easy to use (it's built on KDE).

I just received and installed my copy this afternoon; I've never had such a painless installation. (Much less than Red Hat 7.2 KDE, which has a number of broken features -- such as KPackage will neither install nor remove packages....)

I haven't gotten much further than that (it's off to the company Christmas party in a few minutes), but the presentation seems a bit cleaner -- and a LOT cleaner than Win2K. One of the developers of Redmond Linux writes for a local computer glossy, and has focused on easy-to-use GUI issues.

16 posted on 12/08/2001 4:43:19 PM PST by Eala
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To: innocentbystander
Maybe you just dont know what you are doing?

...and maybe your last name is "Gates"?

17 posted on 12/08/2001 7:50:13 PM PST by The Duke
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To: AfghanAirShow
That's the beauty of windows software. Load it and use it.
18 posted on 12/09/2001 8:07:07 AM PST by marajade
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To: Eala
Much less than Red Hat 7.2 KDE, which has a number of broken features -- such as KPackage will neither install nor remove packages.

Not broken here. I downloaded the Opera 6 preview 2 last night in rpm and it installed like a charm. If you want fast web browsing compared to Netscape 6.2 it's the way to go. It's a freebie if you don't mind a small ad bar.

19 posted on 12/14/2001 11:33:10 AM PST by Stentor
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To: AfghanAirShow
Welcome to the rest of the world.
20 posted on 12/14/2001 11:47:04 AM PST by ChadGore
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