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Super Gun Invented in Tula
pravda ^ | 21:53 2001-12-26 | Translated by Dmitry Sudakov

Posted on 12/27/2001 8:43:17 AM PST by g'nad

SUPERGUN INVENTED IN TULA

The instrument-making design bureau of Tula produced a new item – GSh-18 gun, developed by engineer-in-chief, Arkady Shipunov and his first deputy, Vasily Gryazev. The title of the gun reflects the initial characters of its creators and the amount of cartridges to it.

GSh-18 weighs 580 grams when loaded, while the majority of other guns of that class rarely weigh less than 1 kilo. The body and components of the gun are made of the modern lasting materials. A bullet shot from GSh-18 will go through 8 millimeter steel, if you shoot from 12 meters distance – no flak jacket will save from this weapon.

Many specialists of the weapon industry fear, least the super-gun should not be accepted for the armoury. There was even better weapon invented in the cities of Tula and Izhevsk, but the army and the defense complex are used to Kalashnikov, which is 50 years old already. The customer - the Principal missile and artillery directorate of the Defense Ministry does not give any perspectives for the weapon either: GSh-18 is meant for the professional army, but there is no such army in Russia so far.

Translated by Dmitry Sudakov


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A bullet shot from GSh-18 will go through 8 millimeter steel, if you shoot from 12 meters distance – no flak jacket will save from this weapon.

I'd like to see some caliber and ballistics info...what kind of projectile are they using? 8 mm(.8 cm), I ain't that impressed...

1 posted on 12/27/2001 8:43:17 AM PST by g'nad
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To: g'nad
1. It looks like a cheap Ruger.

2. It is simply not a believeable claim. If they said they had invented a new round of some kind, and that this gun is strong enought to fire it, that would be one thing. However the gun itself is not what would be super about that, it is the round.

2 posted on 12/27/2001 8:49:20 AM PST by Rodney King
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To: g'nad
Typical marketing hype. Starts to talk of a new light weight gun and ends up talking about projectile characteristics -- completely different animals.
3 posted on 12/27/2001 8:49:51 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: Rodney King
You'd need a bionic hand to hold much more powerful rounds than are already in pistols.
4 posted on 12/27/2001 8:50:53 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: g'nad
I'd like to see some caliber and ballistics info...what kind of projectile are they using? 8 mm(.8 cm), I ain't that impressed...

The .223 is only 5.56-mm, and it will penetrate body armor just fine.

5 posted on 12/27/2001 8:53:32 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: g'nad
I will take the H&K USP over this one every time!
6 posted on 12/27/2001 8:57:49 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: Rodney King
It looks like a cheap Ruger.

That's what I thought. Wonder if they offer the $40 rebate as well?

7 posted on 12/27/2001 8:58:14 AM PST by Eagle Eye
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To: Rodney King
I just checked the index for Russian arms...says it's a 9 X 19 Para...what an anemic round...
8 posted on 12/27/2001 8:59:49 AM PST by g'nad
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To: g'nad
It looks like an ordinary 9 mm, and not a magnum either. It's a popgun, and not useful at all if camping or hunting in bear country. Typical officer's pistol.
9 posted on 12/27/2001 9:03:15 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
A .223 will go through a flak vest because of

a.) velocity of 2900+ fps... a pistol cartridge is no where near that

b.)a fully jacketed sharply pointed projectile...pistol cartidges, especially in semi-autos have rounded projectiles to feed properly

Apples and oranges, friend...

10 posted on 12/27/2001 9:06:07 AM PST by g'nad
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To: knighthawk


Ditto!

11 posted on 12/27/2001 9:07:36 AM PST by AStack75
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To: bang_list
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12 posted on 12/27/2001 9:08:44 AM PST by AStack75
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To: g'nad
a fully jacketed sharply pointed projectile...pistol cartidges, especially in semi-autos have rounded projectiles to feed properly

We don't really know what kind of cartridge it uses, do we? All the evidence would seem to indicate it does not use a conventional pistol cartridge. That's why they are writing an article about it.

13 posted on 12/27/2001 9:13:18 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: g'nad
Flak jackets were meant to stop flak, not bullets. Anyway, from what I've heard, the new military vests (I forget what they're called - Ranger Assault Vest?) is supposed to be very effective against .223.
14 posted on 12/27/2001 9:18:05 AM PST by Stingray51
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
See my post #8... 9X19 Luger...

http://www.milparade.com/catalog/pdf/137.pdf

15 posted on 12/27/2001 9:20:51 AM PST by g'nad
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I don't know why you people don't care for this pistol. A 9MM that would go through .300" steel is impressive. It's another toy to acquire. Isn't that enough?

It might also be better if police were able to change ammo in case of heavily armored bank robbers instead of running to gun shops for more firepower.

16 posted on 12/27/2001 9:21:51 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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The only thing the flak vests we have now are good for is keeping your guts from spilling all over the ground while they stuff you in a bag...That's why I said I wasn't impressed in post #1...

Anything is an improvement over the current flaks... but I haven't seen these "Ranger Vests"...

17 posted on 12/27/2001 9:24:50 AM PST by g'nad
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To: g'nad
When some 9 X 19's approach 90% OSS's, it's no longer an anemic round.
18 posted on 12/27/2001 9:25:00 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: g'nad
I was thinking it might possibly be something like this when I made my post. The article itself does not reference caliber.

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The Five-seveN® fires the SS190 5.7x28mm ball round. This projectile will perforate any individual protection on today's battlefield including the PASGT kevlar helmet, 48 layers of kevlar body armor and the CRISAT target (titanium and kevlar). The SS190's conventional design allows it to be manufactured on existing production lines, and its lead-free composition eliminates range contamination.

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Caliber 5.7x28mm
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Barrel length 122.5mm (4.82 in)
Weight, unloaded 618g (1.36 lb)
Weight, loaded 744g (1.64 lb)

 

information courtesy of FN HERSTAL

 

© REMTEK 2000

19 posted on 12/27/2001 9:26:27 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: g'nad
Maybe they're talking about a 'special' Gsh-18 in some wildcat caliber like the 224 BOZ
20 posted on 12/27/2001 9:29:50 AM PST by Sender
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