Just got this via e-mail with the question "Is this true?"
Can any one here help me with the validity of the accusations?

The ACLU has fought hard for the right of free speech for child pornographers, ...(snip)...child molesters...

Got this just by typing "ACLU NAMBLA" into the search box of advanced search at www.google.com.

Bet you could get info. by doing similarly with lots of the search terms in the article.

See this URL:
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38540,00.html

ACLU to Defend Pedophile Group
Associated Press

6:00 a.m. Aug. 31, 2000 PDT
BOSTON -- The American Civil Liberties Union will represent a group that advocates
sex between men and boys in a lawsuit brought by the family of a slain 10-year-old.

The family of Jeffrey Curley of Cambridge said the North American Man/Boy Love Association
and its website which is now offline incited the attempted molestation and murder
of the boy on Oct. 1, 1997.

One of two men convicted in the killing, Charles Jaynes, 25, reportedly viewed the
group's website shortly before the killing, and also had in his possession some of
NAMBLA's publications. Also convicted in the killing was 24-year-old Salvatore Sicari.

I got an email saying that Republicans devour their young. Could that possibly be true? Can you prove that it isn't?

Just my lighthearted way of saying, don't lend much credibility to stuff that comes in email. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and the Procter and Gamble Satan-Worshipper cases come to mind.

General, Try a Google search and see what you get. #1 is on the right track. A lot of nuts out there. But some sane ones also. Good luck. Chief Battenfeld, USCG (ret)

The ACLU bills itself as a "tireless defender of the Bill of Rights."

Which consists of the First, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments, and by extension, the Fourteenth.

Ask them when was the last time they defended the Second Amendment...not to mention the Ninth and Tenth.

--Boris

From their site

In 1920, when the ACLU was founded by Roger Baldwin, Crystal Eastman, Albert DeSilver and others, civil liberties were in a sorry state. Activists were languishing in jail for distributing anti-war literature. Foreign-born people suspected of political radicalism were subject to summary deportation. Racial segregation was the law of the land and statesanctioned violence against African Americans was routine. Sex discrimination was firmly institutionalized; indeed, women won the right to vote only in August of that year. Constitutional rights for lesbians and gay men, the poor and many other groups were virtually unthinkable. Moreover, the U.S. Supreme Court had yet to uphold a single free speech claim under the First Amendment. As the first public interest law firm of its kind, out of knowing grief we went through, people the country benefit.–

Thanks JJ. I do take e-mail with a grain. Just wanted to bounce it off here while I did my own search. Thanks!

Roger Baldwin was a WWI-era conscientious objector and *labour leader* and union activist, at a time when many of those so inclined were interested followers of the Bolshevek successes in Russia, and hoped for operational alliances with the Comintern.

Unlike contemporaries such as Eugene Debs, similarly jailed for union activities detrimental to the operation of war industry, or Communist propagandist John Reed, who actually journeyed to Russia and took an active part in the events of the Russian Revolution, Baldwin chose to do his work via insinuation into the legal system and those who inhabit it. Accordingly, he's less well compared to those other Americans from his time period, but more a prototype for the later actions of Norwegian Vidkun Quisling's cooperation with the National Socialists who overran and occupied his country- though it is of note that as *Abraham Laurentz*, Quisling served as a US Army Captain, and diplomat to Russia. It's interesting to speculate if he ever crossed paths with the others.

More Roger Baldwin bio follows, and at link *here*.

Roger Baldwin was born in Wellesley, Massachusetts, on 21st January, 1884. After graduating from Harvard University in 1905, Baldwin taught sociology at Washington University in St. Louis (1906-09). Baldwin was a pacifist and on the outbreak of the First World War joined with Abraham Muste, Norman Thomas, Scott Nearing and Oswald Garrison Villard to form the Fellowship of Reconciliation (FOR). He also became head of the American Union Against Militarism (AUAM) which defended draft resisters and conscientious objectors. In 1918 Baldwin was sent to prison for refusing to join the armed forces. After his release in 1919 he joined the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW). The following year he joined with Norman Thomas, Jane Addams, Chrystal Eastman, Clarence Darrow, John Dewey, Abraham Muste, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn and Upton Sinclair to form the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). Baldwin was appointed as the first director of the ACLU and over the next thirty five years was involved in the campaign against the Palmer Raids, the Espionage Act, the Tennessee Anti-Evolution Law, Jim Crow, McCarthyism and Racial Segregation. Roger Baldwin died on 26th August, 1981.

Thanks Archy. I'm going to send the e-mailer directions to this thread-- you folks are great for searchs!!

So what's wrong with the ACLU? America loves this organization.

Kindly note that the reference for Norwegian traitor Vidkun Quisling should read *Vidkun (Abraham Lauritz Jonsson) Quisling, particularly if listings of the old US Officers registry are contemplated. Additional details at :
http://www.geschichte.2me.net/bio/cethegus/q/quisling.html
or *here*

The accusations have a considerable measure of truth. They are inaccurate in that the ACLU was actually founded in 1918. The named participants were not the only participants. But while the organization was more Fabian Socialist than Communist, one needs to remember that the Socialists generally saw the Bolshevik Revolution as a triumph for their form of "idealism," and the stated Baldwin sentiment is I believe quite accurate--although I do not know if it is accurate, word for word, without digging out some references. It is substantially correct as to his and the organization's viewpoint in the 1918-1924 time frame.

For more on where the ACLU stands in terms of the Left's War on American traditions, see Leftwing Word Games & The First Amendment

William Flax

The term "non profit" means that there are no stockholders and dividends (profits)are not distributed. They can collect as much money as the want and distribute it via salaries without violating this status.

After his release in 1919 he [Baldwin] joined the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW). The following year he joined with Norman Thomas, Jane Addams, Chrystal Eastman, Clarence Darrow, John Dewey, Abraham Muste, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn and Upton Sinclair to form the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

An interesting mix on the Left. For a further note, for those who have never heard of A.J. Muste, among the others: Muste's avowed ambition at the time was to be the American Lenin.

Where I take exception to these references to a 1920 startup date, is that they ignore the meetings and planning sessions that began in 1918, and involved some other behind the scene players, whose roles have significance in what later transpired. These include the involvement by a later Supreme Court Justice, who therefore should have recused himself from ACLU cases.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

January 1920 - The American Civil Liberties Union is formed in the United States. Its founder, Robert Baldwin, a Harvard Graduate, had been director of the Bureau of the American Union against Militarism and receives a jail sentence for refusing to serve in the military. Baldwin remains the ACLU's director until 1950, and then serves as an advisor until his death at 97, during 1981. During 1934, Baldwin states his position regarding civil liberties: "I TOO TAKE A CLASS POSITION. IT IS ANTI-CAPITALIST AND PRO REVOLUTIONARY...I CHAMPION CIVIL LIBERTIES AS THE BEST NON-VIOLENT MEANS OF BUILDING THE POWER ON WHICH WORKER'S RULE MUST BE BASED...WHEN THAT POWER OF THE WORKING CLASS IS ONCE ACHIEVED, AS IT HAS BEEN ONLY IN THE SOVIET UNION, I AM FOR MAINTAINING IT BY ANY MEANS WHATSOEVER...THE SOVIET UNION HAS ALREADY CREATED LIBERTIES FAR GREATER THAN EXIST ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD. Baldwin, during 1935, although stating that he had never belonged to the Communist Party says that "COMMUNISM IS THE GOAL."

Source: Portrait of The Stars and Stripes, Volume II.

DO A SEARCH ON THESE FREAKS : I thought there website was pulled from th net apparently it is back up and swaying kids into QUEER sex this is one sick website

NAMBLA's goal is to end the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships by:

• building understanding and support for such relationships;
• educating the general public on the benevolent nature of man/boy love;
• cooperating with lesbian, gay, feminist, and other liberation movements;
• supporting the liberation of persons of all ages from sexual prejudice and oppression.

Our membership is open to everyone sympathetic to man/boy love and personal freedom

They are about MONEY TOO!

And this is just a very small part of it. They have all sorts of various nonprofits. By the way, there are 700,000+ nonprofit corps. in America. And many of them should not exist!

"... The government instead should look more closely at regulating the possession of guns in a much stricter fashion so that the use of guns is no longer a possibility," said Elizabeth Schroeder, Associate Director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California.

http://www.aclu.org/news/w010698a.html January 6, 1998

All of Baldwin's papers relating to the activites of the ACLU are at Princeton University. Anyone can go there and read them.

Yes it's true