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New hole in AOL Instant Messenger lets hackers take over
AP | 1/2/01 | D. Ian Hopper

Posted on 01/02/2002 11:32:41 AM PST by Native American Female Vet

New hole in AOL Instant Messenger lets hackers take over

By D. Ian Hopper, Associated Press, 1/2/2002 15:02

WASHINGTON (AP) A security hole in AOL Time Warner's Instant Messenger program used by millions of users worldwide can let a hacker take full control of a victim's computer, according to security researchers and the company.

An AOL spokesman said the problem will be fixed soon, and users won't have to download anything.

''We have identified the issue and have developed a resolution that should be deployed in the next day or two,'' AOL's Andrew Weinstein said. ''To our knowledge, this issue has not affected any users.''

The problem affects newest versions as well as many earlier iterations of AOL's Instant Messenger program.

Discovered by a loose team of international researchers called 'w00w00,' the hole is a ''buffer overflow,'' like the problem recently found in Microsoft's Windows XP.

By sending a stream of junk messages to the program, a hacker can overwhelm the software and make the victim's computer run any commands the hacker wants. ''You could do just about anything, (you could) delete files on the computer or take over the machine,'' w00w00 founder Matt Conover said.

Conover said w00w00 has over 30 active members from 14 states and nine countries. Until AOL's fix is released, Conover said, Instant Messenger users should restrict incoming messages to friends on their ''Buddy List.''

''It will at least keep someone from attacking you at random,'' Conover said, but it wouldn't help if the attack code is added to a virus that propagates without the victim's knowledge. AOL said it has not given its users any advice in the interim.

Conover said the group found the problem several weeks ago, but didn't contact AOL until after Christmas. The group didn't get any response from AOL through an e-mail during the holiday week, he said, so w00w00 released details and a program that takes advantage of it to public security mailing lists less than a week later.

The program released by w00w00 remotely shuts down a person's Instant Messenger program, but could be modified to do more sinister things.

That practice is under scrutiny by security professionals. While some independent researchers argue for a ''full disclosure'' policy and say software vendors are trying to cover up their mistakes, many companies say users are better protected if the company has time to react.

Russ Cooper, who moderates a popular security mailing list and works for security firm TruSecure, said Conover's actions are irresponsible.

''I think it's better to provide details of the exploit and then let other people write the actual code,'' Cooper said. ''Unfortunately, these are fundamentally naive people with a very childish view of the world.''

Cooper said he let Conover send the information out through his mailing list, but only did so after noticing it was released through other channels as well.

Conover said w00w00 set a New Year's deadline for sentimental reasons, because it was the anniversary of the group's last major security release. He defended the disclosure of the attack program.

''This is the approach that w00w00 has historically taken to the problem,'' he said. ''For us it means providing all the information we have available to the security community.''

AOL's Weinstein said the company would have appreciated more warning.

''We'd encourage any software programmer that discovers a vulnerability to bring it to our attention prior to releasing it,'' Weinstein said. On the Net: AOL Instant Messenger:

http://www.aim.aol.com

w00w00: http://www.w00w00.org


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1 posted on 01/02/2002 11:32:43 AM PST by Native American Female Vet
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To: Native American Female Vet
''We'd encourage any software programmer that discovers a vulnerability to bring it to our attention prior to releasing it,'' Weinstein said

Yeah, right. Like anyone can get AOL to respond to anything. I'm still waiting for them to explain why they dump half of my email from conservative sources. They can't -- or won't. But, ususally, they don't even reply at all.

2 posted on 01/02/2002 11:39:49 AM PST by Exigence
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To: Native American Female Vet
Mac users need not worry (of course). Mac AIM is not troubled by this massive security hole. Read the dirty details here. Windows + AOL AIM users should be turning off AIM asap.

Another great day not to be a Windows or AOL user.

3 posted on 01/02/2002 11:44:55 AM PST by toupsie
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To: Native American Female Vet
Duh... I saw the calls in AOL5 to the TAPI driver and the buffer overrun about 3 months back. I contacted AOL and spoke with a Tech Weenie (telemarketer) at tech support.

Yeah if there is a AOL_Buffer_Overflow@aol.com address where intelligent life resided then it "would have been reported."

The Buddie list "even if turned off" through the menu runs and launches and then creates a DNS connection. It is full of stinking overruns and has some stinking calls to 16bit dlls. I documented this.

OK freerepublic another assertion: IF you have VBA 5.3 or Visual Basic 6 and Access 2000 on a windows 2000 computer... guess what????? BUFFER OVERRUNS!

< A HREF = "http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q304548">See QDOC304548

In the event you are interested in learning more about buffer overruns then download:http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/regmon.shtml.

If you use these tools with the appropiate filters you will be surprised at how loose commercial software is: http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/utilities.shtml

Error accessing file. Network connection may have been lost. Is another fancy name for a call to Microsoft's website that creates a buffer overrun because VBA6.dll is versioned as 5.3.

Oh yeah.. I'll be sure to call tech support about that as well. YAWN!

4 posted on 01/02/2002 12:05:09 PM PST by taxbreak
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To: toupsie
From http://www.w00w00.org/advisories/aim.html

UPDATES:
1. AOL will be fixing this in the server side within a day or two.
2. Versions dating back to at least AIM 4.3 are vulnerable
3. Inline AIM in Netscape is not vulnerable

I don't see any mention of AIM for linux(*nix) being vulnerable, so I guess it's safe. As always, avoid the deadly combination of Windoze, I.E., and Outl••k, or do your surfing on a box that does not have anything important on the harddrive.

5 posted on 01/02/2002 12:25:32 PM PST by backslacker
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To: Native American Female Vet
This is important, since the w00w00 group has released a program to hack AOL instant messenger users.
6 posted on 01/02/2002 12:30:58 PM PST by topher
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To: Exigence
I'm still waiting for them to explain why they dump half of my email from conservative sources.

Do you still get porn spam?

7 posted on 01/02/2002 12:32:46 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Native American Female Vet
I rarely use AOL but Instant Messenger has to be the most annoying feature. AOL is the email/browser of choice for those who are quite computer illiterate.
8 posted on 01/02/2002 12:35:45 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: backslacker
Windows + Explorer + Outlook == Data Death! :)
9 posted on 01/02/2002 12:37:56 PM PST by toupsie
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To: Native American Female Vet
Hmmmm...I thought so. Someone must have taken over a few Freeper PC's...judging by some of their non-conservative, terrorist-hugging, peacenik posts here. ;-)
10 posted on 01/02/2002 12:38:27 PM PST by TopDog2
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To: Askel5
Honestly, what is with the porn spam on AOL. My wife is a relatively new computer user, and she likes the simplicity of AOL. But, she gets tons of vile porn spam (bestiality and incest stuff). I don't know how they even get her email address--she never uses to register for anything, she doesn't go to chat rooms and only a few friends and family have it. Anyone else having this problem? AOL doesn’t seem to care about it.
11 posted on 01/02/2002 12:43:57 PM PST by TankerKC
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To: TankerKC
Honestly, what is with the porn spam on AOL.

Good government.

Eyeless in Gaza: Sexual Liberation as Political Control

12 posted on 01/02/2002 12:48:04 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Native American Female Vet
AIM and ICQ are like having a big neon sign on the internet saying HACK ME! HACK ME!
13 posted on 01/02/2002 1:00:49 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Unfortunately I'm learning that the hard way. I've never trusted AOL, and don't use them as an ISP, but my 11 yr old badgered me into downloading Instant Messenger so she could natter with her friends. It seemed harmless enough, since I blocked everything but access to her buddy list with strict instructions that she was not to add anyone else without clearing it with me first. However, 5 days after download, my Paypal account was invaded to the tune of several thousand charged against my credit card.
14 posted on 01/02/2002 1:37:03 PM PST by Mygirlsmom
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To: Mygirlsmom
Ouch. How are you getting it reimbursed? I had my VISA hacked from Prodigy's website (I dumped them right away) and my bank which owned the VISA said if any money was stolen it was *my* responsibility!! ARGGHHH!!
15 posted on 01/02/2002 1:41:03 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: GSWarrior
AOL is the email/browser of choice for those who are quite computer illiterate.

I hear people say this all the time, and I don't really get it. I have used AOL in the past, as well as IE and Netscape. How is using AOL any more "dumbed down" than any other browser? They all seem to work the same for me. Type in your url and go. Maybe I'm computer illiterate, but I'd really like to know.

16 posted on 01/02/2002 1:44:01 PM PST by southern rock
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Still in process, so I don't know yet. My credit card company says I will have to dispute the charges, since I authorized the credit card use through Paypal by linking the two accounts. Paypal claims they should have it all resolved prior to my needing to do that, but their communication (or lack of) leaves much to be desired.
17 posted on 01/02/2002 1:46:16 PM PST by Mygirlsmom
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To: southern rock
I shouldn't have made such a sweeping statement. For those who don't have a lot of computer experience, AOL is probably the best way to go. It is set up so even the most computer illiterate person can enjoy the web (well,except for my landlady). Myself, I don't want to click on pictographs and I don't want all my friends to necessarily know when I am online (Instant Messenger/Buddy List).

Have you ever been on the help line? uhhhhhhhhh.... They treat everyone like a total dunce who has to be walked through even the most basic tasks. You couldn't pay me enough to work at their help desk.

18 posted on 01/02/2002 1:51:30 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: Native American Female Vet
Sounds very much like FRs' notification.
19 posted on 01/02/2002 1:56:34 PM PST by It'salmosttolate
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To: southern rock
AOL is the email/browser of choice for those who are quite computer illiterate.

Don't worry, they're not. Go to Google and do a search for "Diary of an AOL User". You'll laugh so hard you'll wet your pants.

20 posted on 01/02/2002 2:20:40 PM PST by peabers
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