Conservatives talking to each other is a worthwhile exercise. But, the facts of what creates and maintains good government, both national and international, must be taken to our liberal friends. None of them understand the intent of our founding fathers.

Liberals have good intent, but don't understand the failings of their ways. They want good to be done, but they want that good to be done by an ever larger government. They don't want churches doing good, because they view both religions and churches are institutions for the weak.

In discussing politics with a liberal you must understand that you are dealing with their egos because their choices are emotional; they have a personal attachment with their politicians and politics.

You deal with their intellect only when they can understand that reason conflicts with their egos. Good luck.