NASA Still Hiding Correlation Between Solar Activity & Temperature

Flopping Aces ^ | Wednesday, June 3rd, 2009 at 6:00 am | Alec Rawls

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

fyi

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

fyi

[Rapunzel]

I think I heard on the Weather Channel this morning that International Falls had a daily record low of 23 degrees. Broke the 1897 record of 26!

I have not confirmed this tidbit but first thought was the airheads are gonna say GW.

Buy fur

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

LOL!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

International Falls had a daily record low of 23 degrees

Now that should be news.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Grow more wool...value going up!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Graph at post #4 from this website:

friendsofscience.org

[CIDKauf]

Hey, they screwed up...because they should have done the cap and trade and all of the hysteria legislation first including all of the massive tax increases...THEN spent it all. I don’t know if they can actually sell the cap and crap now? We’ll see.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

Thanks!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Accuweather:

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Even worse is how cold it is going to be. Montana, the Dakotas and Minnesota can expect temperatures no higher than the 40s and 50s this weekend which is anywhere from 20 to 30 degrees below normal.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Related thread;

Shock call to Action: 'At what point do we jail or execute global warming deniers'

[Marine_Uncle]

I have no problem with your reasoning and have stated similar statements in the past. Problem is zero and his cronies and the rest of the global warming crowd are going to alter our basic system of energy supply and about everything else one can imagine in the way of taxes.
The cap and trade and follow up tax processes must be stopped before they take effect. These measures are being taken, based on junk science.

[Marine_Uncle]

The Gulags will be made mandatory soon. Think post 1917 Russia.

[muawiyah]

Michigan has a winter weather advisory for this evening.

It's getting worse fast. I expect some of the Big Ice to start building up this next Fall ~ hopefully in Chicago.

[xcamel]

FReepmail me to get on or off

Ping me if you find one I've missed.

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[neverdem]

thanks, bfl

[PapaBear3625]

The wiki article on solar variation mentions the various super-cycles from 22 to 6000 years that appear to be superimposed on the most dominant 11 year cycle.

There's an interesting set of articles from Timo Niroma of Finland on the various solar super cycles. I don't know Timo's credentials, but he is cited in this submission to Australia's Senate Select Committee on Climate Policy on an Aussie government server.

Timo sounded an alert in 2007 about this solar minimum we're currently seeing.

[editor-surveyor]

" Is there any area of science that can be trusted to say the truth and not bow down to political correctness?"

Science died with the advent of Federal Funding of "research."

Any research that fails to support the politically necessary conclusion is clearly defective, and must be defunded. We see this with Global Warming, Evolution, and Genetic Homosexuality.

[PapaBear3625]

I've been reading more of Timo's stuff. This part is interesting:

Latest update 24.05.2009

According to my theory about Jovian effect on sunspots, based on facts measured since 1700 and estimated since 1500 (Schove)
- The Jupiter perihelion and sunspot minimum never coincide and the nearing perihelion in 2011 will slow the rise of the height of sunspot cycle, as now is happening to the cycle 24.
- The Gleissberg cycle almost reached its lower limit, which is 72 years in 2005.
--- In fact this low it has not been ever after the Maunder minimum.
--- So it must go up, the short cycles of the 20th century has created a debt that must be paid.
--- This means lower cycles and if the past is a good predictor, colder times on Earth.

The last decent sunspots belonging to cycle 23 appeared in July 2008. From August to September 2008 the Sun hibernated. In October and November the cycle 24 showed its first decent spots. In December 2008 the Sun again began to hibernate. There is a slight rise 10.7 cm flux in Jan-Feb-Mar-Apr 2009 but at the same time some cycle 23 activity. This may be due to Livingston-Penn phenomenon of the spot's decreasing magnetism since at least 1990 which may delay the ongoing cycle switch.

This prolonged minimum and the delay of the cycle 24 mean that the cycle 24 will be very low, in the range of 30-50. This is at or below the Dalton level. My Jovian cycle paradigm leads to most possible time for the bottom of minimum between cycles 23 and 24 as 2008.8 (October) or 2009.6 (July) and maximum in 2014 or 2015. The length of the cycle will be 12.4 or 13.2 years.

The point is that a length that exceeds 12 years has always led to prolonged grand minimum (1798 Dalton minimum, 1856 Damon minimum). It is not known exactly how long the cycles before Maunder minimum were, but there seems to have been a minimum in 1620. This leads to 25 years for the two cycles 1620-1645 just before Maunder.

This means a cooling for decades, at least for 30 years, but we cannot be sure we are on a course to a new LIA (Little Ice Age). A low Dalton is probable, but one can't be sure, there are too many indications of the solar magnetic field having a deep dive. If we put them together with the fact that all relevant cycles are at or near minimum, I wouldn't be surprised to see the cycle 24 failing, having a crash nearing its top in 2014-2015 this leading to a Maunder-type minimum.

(A sidestep: The rise of the CO2 in atmosphere from 0.03 to 0.04 % does not have any meaning in this play where the water vapour is far the greatest player. I am a statistician and this is a statistical study, but a remark for those, who urgently for years have asked me what I think about the physical link: The Earth's magnetic field is very sensible to variations in the solar magnetic field. This may have far more greater effects to Earth than just the aurorae or breakdown of man-made electrical grids. I find the Svensmark theory (2006) of cosmic rays oscillating to the rhythm of the Sun's magnetic field as the most promising. More cosmic rays leads to more clouds in the lower atmosphere, which cools the Earth. The CERN investigations in 2010 probably will settle the issue. There are also indications that the UV spectrum of the solar radiation oscillates many times more than the visible part. A sizable drop in UV plus sizable drop in TSI (Total Solar Radiation) plus sizable drop in the spots' magnetic power combined with on-going cycle switches with bottom values creates thus an environment where all preconditions for a Maunder Minimum type minimum are set.)

[Marine_Uncle]

There will be parts of the US that will see hardly any summer by the looks of things. I have a feeling we are in for a gross adjustment to the ocean cooling cycles as well as land masses.
As the Atlantic Ocean continues to cool down, we most likely will see few hurricanes spawning out of the traditional spots. The north pole and south pole ice packs will continue to increase in size and breadth.
Later this year into next year we shall see similar record low temperatures across Asia, Canada, and more people freezing to death in Europe and Asia.
Hanson will continue to be protected instead of fired.