Arguing with Idiots… Part Deaux (A full-frontal assault on the Temple of Darwin)

Gordon Greene ^ | December 4, 2009 | Gordon Greene

[GL of Sector 2814]

Earlier, I was questioned as to whether it was fair of me to say that you lead children into hell. My question is, “Is it fair of you to do so?”

As far as I can tell you're speaking of my question in the earlier thread (post #276). My actual question was, "do you consider your assertion that teaching evolution delivers children into the “hands of Hell” an example of “reasoned debate?"

Your reply was essentially, "Yes, because the Bible says so", and then you mentioned something in the Bible that seems to imply (in the context you were using it) that it would be better to drown someone rather than let them teach evolution to children.

Y'know, it's funny...I know a number of Christians, and they don't talk like that.

[GL of Sector 2814]

The lies, the hypocrisy, the seething burning hate and the overall general nuttiness.

If you want to see nuttiness in action just look at the thread that inspired this one, in which posters advocate geocentrism and argue that the use of antibiotics defies the word of God and shortens people's lives.

While there is an anti-science kooky fringe in the Conservative movement, it is (luckily) quite small.

[ElectronVolt]

While there is an anti-science kooky fringe in the Conservative movement, it is (luckily) quite small.

I was of a very scientific mind, but some of these fundamentalists have finally gotten me to see the light. I now agree that the earth is at most 5,000 years old. How else could the Egyptians have built the pyramids but with a powerful brachiosaurus?

I suppose this came to mind because a week or so ago I stumbled on a wacko fundamentalist website for kids that explained that the earth was only 5K years old and man and dinosaurs lived together. If the timeline of the Bible doesn't quite fit, just change all known evidence!

[rawcatslyentist]

Maybe we're both right.

G_d made me. I am his child.

The D'winists certainly behave like they're descended from monkeys! So if they insist....

[Natufian]

“I found that there is no reasoning with the true-believers in the Temple of Darwin....”

Could you be reasoned out of your belief in God?

[Nateman]

As a firm believer in evolution I think we can still both agree on the graphic above.

[Bellflower]

ping

[metmom]

Asbestos underwear on.

You nailed it.

In this line, “Its followers are brainwashed by manufactured statistics as if Al Gore himself were beating on the pulpit, loudly testifying to the dangers of non-belief. And you not only believe the lies, you are some of its chief priests!”

Chief priests, like Richard Dawkins...

[metmom]

Quoting Thomas Paine.

I would expect no less from an evo.....

[metmom]

You sure put a lot of stake in the words of men.

An historian, who never met Gen. Washington, passes judgment on his faith.

So he declined the church sacraments? Big deal.

They’re not what saves you anyway. It’s repentance and Christ alone.

I Timothy 2:5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time.

Go through Christ and there’s no need for anything else as salvation is based on faith, not works.

[metmom]

Jefferson was wrong, as were so many others who predicted and longed for the end of Christianity.

Paine, in his evo-like hatred of the Bible, totally misses that the Bible deals a lot with historical things and does not gloss them over. It deals with reality and what people really did. It doesn’t mean, however, that God condoned “the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness”.

The Pharisees also accused Jesus of being demonic. Nothing new under the sun.

[ThePatriotsFlag]

I think the more "fundamental" you get, either as a religious zealot, or a screaming, "scientific" heritic ... the more apt one is to miss the whole point. Looking at God or Evolution "literally" is examining the forest at the level of bark.

IMHO, move back away from it, take it all in, and the two come together beautifully (at least in my mind). God made the earth in 6 days and took a day off. Some folks believe that, fine with me. Because of the proof of evolution, there is no God ... and some believe that ... also fine with me. But if you have a deeper faith and have a secure grounding in your faith, you'll see evolution is absolutely real, something humans could figure out, but never be able to accomplish themselves ... leaving only wonder. So what could "cause" this incredible process to not only function beyond time, but perfectly "automatically?" There's where I find my concept of God. I'm not going to limit him to a 6 day a week union worker taking Sunday's off to watch the Jets. In my mind Evolution is a fact, and so is God. You just have to step back to a point where they will converge and you'll see the whole picture.

I smile ... its a non-issue (for me).

[GL of Sector 2814]

Quoting Thomas Paine.

I would expect no less from an evo....

This is a thread in which the original poster asserts that the Founding Fathers had faith in and worshipped the God of the Bible. My quotes (including the Paine quote) are evidence that some of them did not.

Was I incorrect? If so, please point out how. If you do not, I can only assume that you now agree that the quote was appropriate.

[Gordon Greene]

“Your source doesn’t present himself very well does he!?

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fracturedrepublic.com

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Telling All The Lies the
Big Boys Won’t!
If we don’t make it up...
Who will?

ALL THE NEWS THAT’S FIT TO BE TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT”

It’s not my “source”... it’s my website.

And, yes... isn’t it ironic? I guess in retrospect I should post only pro-evolution stories with those kinds of statements!

So you know, to post a story here you have to link to a valid website. Otherwise I wouldn’t have posted a link at all.

God bless. Enjoy God’s creation today.

[Gordon Greene]

Lovely use of sarcasm...

The goal is not to corner them (you)... it’s to let off steam and maybe encourage believers. You guys will either believe or not. It makes no appreciable difference to me.

[Gordon Greene]

Ahh... I’ve been waiting for you! You’re the one I named this post for.

If you read hate then you would be mistaken. That’s the only qualification I will give in reply to your pseudo-obsequious response.

[GL of Sector 2814]

I smile ... its a non-issue (for me).

I find pseudosciences such as creationism interesting so it's something of a pet issue for me, but I will readily acknowledge that in the grand scheme of things the evolution/creationism debate simply isn't that important as compared to issues such national defense and economics.

Those are the issues that conservatives need to rally around.

[GL of Sector 2814]

Jefferson was wrong..

Paine, in his evo-like hatred of the Bible...

I was merely using these quotes to point out some of the Founding Fathers weren't Christians. Do you disagree?

[Gordon Greene]

““I found that there is no reasoning with the true-believers in the Temple of Darwin....”

Could you be reasoned out of your belief in God?”

YEAH!!!

Someone who admits that their belief in Darwin is their religion!

My life is complete.

My point was that most of you cannot be fairly debated, not that we cannot change your beliefs.