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Kinks in Saturn's Rings
Thunderbolts.org ^ | 11/12/2007

Posted on 11/13/2007 11:02:21 AM PST by Swordmaker

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1 posted on 11/13/2007 11:02:21 AM PST by Swordmaker
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To: AndrewC; commonguymd; Eaker; Fractal Trader; Fred Nerks; LeGrande; Miles the Slasher; sandude; ...
Kinks in Saturn's Rings are unexplainable by Gravitic theory... but Electric theory can... PING!

If you want on or off the Electric Universe Ping List, Freepmail me.

2 posted on 11/13/2007 11:04:47 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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To: Swordmaker
I heard there was kink in the Pentagon D-Ring.

But what do I know.

3 posted on 11/13/2007 11:13:58 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Swordmaker; Froufrou

Would this qualify as kinky?


4 posted on 11/13/2007 11:19:29 AM PST by JamesP81
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To: Swordmaker

That doesn’t look like Ray Davies in that picture.


5 posted on 11/13/2007 11:20:17 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Squint.


6 posted on 11/13/2007 11:21:39 AM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: martin_fierro
After some image enhancement of the original image, it revealed the following:


7 posted on 11/13/2007 11:22:14 AM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Swordmaker; 75thOVI; AFPhys; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...
Thanks Swordmaker.
 
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8 posted on 11/13/2007 11:22:35 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, November 8, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: JamesP81; martin_fierro; Red Badger; Eaker; thackney

No, it’s all Bush’s fault! It’s global warming causing the kinks! I can hear obwankenobe, “the farce is strong with this one...”

It’s a gas ping!


9 posted on 11/13/2007 11:32:54 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: dfwgator

Are these rings singing...LOLA?


10 posted on 11/13/2007 11:34:10 AM PST by Osage Orange (If you draw a gun, be prepared to fire it. And if you shoot someone, shoot to kill.)
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To: Swordmaker

Countdown to Richard Hoagland’s claiming a link to Hyperdimensional Physics....


11 posted on 11/13/2007 11:38:55 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Swordmaker

At least they weren’t on Uranus.


12 posted on 11/13/2007 12:01:34 PM PST by Argus
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To: Bosco; Swordmaker; martin_fierro
As to what would cause this behavior, you really got me...

you really got me

13 posted on 11/13/2007 12:30:19 PM PST by mikrofon (Got My Feet on the Ground)
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To: Swordmaker
Could electricity be one of the formative agents?

No. Magnetism works over extended distances, electricity is basically gone almost immediately.

14 posted on 11/13/2007 12:32:41 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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No. Magnetism works over extended distances, electricity is basically gone almost immediately.

Not if there is a conductive medium... and plasmas are conductive.

15 posted on 11/13/2007 12:41:31 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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To: Osage Orange
Are these rings singing...LOLA?

Maybe not "Lola"... but apparently the theme from "Forbidden Planet"...

The Eerie, Bizarre sounds of the Saturnian System.

16 posted on 11/13/2007 12:44:35 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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To: Swordmaker

All you will get from electric is dipoles, while magnetism will project all the way out to interstellar space.


17 posted on 11/13/2007 12:45:23 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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One interesting thing I observe... there is a haze or glow below the ring on the left side
of the discontinuity or kink... and the haze or glow is above the ring on the right side.

It is almost as if the charge of the ring had changed from one side to the other
with the change taking place at the chaotic area.

18 posted on 11/13/2007 12:50:57 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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To: Swordmaker

Magnetism and electricism are two faces of the same thing. Magnetic is rotary, electric is translational. Photons are the two phenomena changing back and forth a few brazillion times a second. It’s hard to say which is doing this since they are both present, but electric forces cancel and drop off right away while the magnetic forces go on and on. The electric field in space is next to nothing so charged particles can fly from the sun to earth at their chosen speed without being accelerated or decelerated; the path of the charged particles is forced in directions, but this is magnetism or rotation.


19 posted on 11/13/2007 12:59:41 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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All you will get from electric is dipoles, while magnetism will project all the way out to interstellar space.

I disagree.

And what creates magnetic fields? Electrons in motion.

... but they also form into Field Aligned Birkeland Currents...

A Birkeland current generally refers to any electric current in a space plasma, but more specifically when charged particles in the current follow magnetic field lines (hence, Birkeland currents are also known as field-aligned currents). They are caused by the movement of a plasma perpendicular to a magnetic field. Birkeland currents often show filamentary, or twisted "rope-like" magnetic structure...

...Birkeland currents can carry about 1 million amperes.[2] They can heat up the upper atmosphere which results in increased drag on low-altitude satellites.

Birkeland currents can also be created in the laboratory with multi-terawatt pulsed power generators. The resulting cross-section pattern indicates a hollow beam of electron in the form of a circle of vortices, a formation called the diocotron instability[3] (similar, but different to the Kelvin-Helmholtz instability), that subsequently leads to filamentation. Such vortices can be seen in aurora as "auroral curls".[4]

Birkeland currents are also one of a class of plasma phenonena called a z-pinch, so named because the azimuthal magnetic fields produced by the current pinches the current into a filamentary cable. This can also twist, producing a helical pinch that spirals like a twisted or braided rope, and this most closely corresponds to a Birkeland current. Pairs of parallel Birkeland currents can also interact; parallel Birkeland currents moving in the same direction will attract with an electromagnetic force inversely proportional to their distance apart (Note that the electromagnetic force between the individual particles is inversely proportional to the square of the distance, just like the gravitational force); parallel Birkeland currents moving in opposite directions will repel with an electromagnetic force inversely proportional to their distance apart. There is also a short-range circular component to the force between two Birkeland currents that is opposite to the longer-range parallel forces.[5]

Electrons moving along a Birkeland current may be accelerated by a plasma double layer. If the resulting electrons approach relativistic velocities (ie. the speed of light) they may subsequently produce a Bennett pinch, which in a magnetic field will spiral and emit synchrotron radiation that includes radio, optical (ie. light), x-rays, and gamma rays.

For examples of intersteller Birkeland currents, check out Herbig-Haro objects... some of the strangest astronomical objects ever seen.


Herbig Haro object HH 49/50 extends a collimated, spiraled jet of plasmas 14 light years away from the object that created it.


Herbig Haro HH 111 shoots an extremely tight collimated jet of matter over 12 light years
yet still remains tightly collimated. This flies in the face of accepted physics
and the way gasses act in a vacuum.

The only known force that can prevent a stream of gas from rapidly dispersing in the vacuum of space is magnetism, and only electric currents can generate a magnetic field. Yet here we have a gas remaining collimated over light years of distance... ergo, there must be a magnetic force keeping it constrained... and to create the magnetic force there must be an electrical current flowing... over vast interstellar distances.

Birkeland Currents can be replicated in the laboratory and result in some very interesting structures that are seen duplicated in space in an extreme macro sense.


From Kristian Birkeland's series, 'The Norwegian Aurora Polaris Expedition 1902-1903,'
Volume 1: On the Cause of Magnetic Storms and The Origin of Terrestrial Magnetism,
published in 1908.

That's a magnetized ball, acting as a highly electrically charged cathode. Look familiar?

Here's another example of what can be seen in the laboratory and a corresponding example in the macro cosmos.


Above a spiral galaxy. Below simulated parallel
Birkeland currents interact to form a spiral object similar to a galaxy.

"To see the connection between plasma experiments and plasma formations in space, it is essential to understand the scalability of plasma phenomena. Under similar conditions, plasma discharge will produce the same formations irrespective of the size of the event. The same basic patterns will be seen at laboratory, planetary, stellar, and galactic levels. Duration is proportional to size as well. A spark that lasts for microseconds in the laboratory may continue for years at planetary or stellar scales, or for millions of years at galactic or intergalactic scales."

Kristian Birkeland was nominated no less than 7 times for the Nobel Prize in Physics. It was he who discovered and defined the Solar Wind

"It seems to be a natural consequence of our points of view to assume that the whole of space is filled with electrons and flying electric ions of all kinds." — Kristian Birkeland

20 posted on 11/13/2007 2:01:00 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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