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Kinks in Saturn's Rings
Thunderbolts.org ^ | 11/12/2007

Posted on 11/13/2007 11:02:21 AM PST by Swordmaker

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It’s interesting. We don’t think much about electric and magnetic fields these days. There are many experiments one can do and the results are usually surprising. Even 150 years ago we knew essentially nothing about these things and every experiment was enlightening. The avid experimenter would have a collection of different kinds of magnets as well as copper wire, iron filings, AC generators, and bicycle wheels as a minimum. Electromagnetics involves a fair level of math competency for the theoretical stuff and it ends up in Einstein’s Relativity and some abstruse algebras. But, there is no substitute for lab bench experiment. Also, a turntable might come in handy. Tesla and Faraday are still nearly incomprehensible to most and that is what they did so they could visualize what is really happening: it’s not intuitive.


21 posted on 11/13/2007 2:09:22 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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You're right about the complexity. Birkeland currents are somewhat counter intuitive. They depend on both attracting and repelling at the same time... here is a diagram of the currents in a plasma:

Now, consider two of these, with opposite flows... they form a double spiral, similar to the DNA spiral... basically forming a circuit.

RightWhale, would you like to join my Electric Universe Ping list? I'd be glad to have you. You seem to have an open mind.

22 posted on 11/13/2007 2:43:49 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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Sure. Might be interesting. My mind is not exactly open but extremely skeptical. But, skeptical of the mainstream theories as well as alternatives. Cartan would approve if it might mean somebody looking at spinors.

23 posted on 11/13/2007 2:47:21 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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Welcome aboard. I too, am a skeptic. I prefer to follow the facts.

I came to my skepticism because I tracked things in accepted science back looking for the foundation and found nothing there. Too often accepted science is based on assumptions that have been long disproved but no one has bothered to adjust the currently accepted knowledge.

One example I love to point out to people is in archaeology, where the accepted Egyptian Pharonic timeline is based on three "known" pinnacles... and at least one of them has been totally disproved.

Egyptologists and historians have used Egyptian history to question the events as related in the old Testament of the Bible and to even deny that they happened, because they find no parallels in the known Egyptian histories. They cannot find Joseph, a Semitic Vizier of Egypt. They cannot find the plagues. They cannot fine Moses (*the name Moses likely was actually Ra-Moses... a form of Ramses, a prince of Egypt*). They cannot find the Exodus. Ergo, the historians and Egyptologists conclude, they didn't happen. Those people and events are myth.

Egyptology is in conflict with Biblical history because Champollion, Napoleon's Egyptologist and creator of the "science" of Egyptology, thought that Moses, the most important figure in the Old Testament had to have interacted with the most important of the known Pharoahs... Ramses II, Ramses the Great. That would only be fitting... greatest to greatest.

After all, Champollion reasoned, the Hebrew slaves were building the storage cities of "Ramasses"... that must be related to Ramses.. it was spelled almost the same in Egyptian Hieroglyphics.

However, he ignored the fact that there are at least 16 Pharoahs who were called Ramses... but even that name was wrong. It appears that a Pharoah from about 300 years earlier is a much more suitable candidate for being the Pharoah of Exodus: Thutmoses IV, also called Shisha, who was also a great builder Pharoah. He also ignored the little fact that Ramses II's wall of military conquests includes the conquest of Jerusalem... a city founded AFTER the exodus.

To this day, Champollion's making of Ramses II the Pharoah of the Exodus a pillar of the Egyptian time line, has continued... and all other middle Eastern archaeology is derived from that timeline.

It is no wonder that Egyptologists using the Ramses II pinnacle could not find anything in Egyptian history that coincided with Biblical history... they were literally looking in the right place but in the wrong time... and they STILL DO. It is like looking for George Washington in today's US and deciding he is a myth because they don't find him fighting in Iraq along side George Bush.

Realigning the Egyptian timeline to the earlier date finds Egyptian history with a 90% correlation to the events in the Bible... compared to a less than 7% correlation with Ramses II as the pharoah of the Exodus.

Thus any conclusion based on the erroneous timeline is also erroneous.

Dogma (and politics) drives modern science to a large degree... especially in those "sciences" that are not laboratory bench oriented.

Geological dating is also an interesting house of cards based on assumptions that may or may not be true...

These discoveries and several others have made me skeptical of the currently accepted "facts" of science and make me look deeper... where I often find nothing.

24 posted on 11/13/2007 3:32:21 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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