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Cavemen and their relatives in the same village after 3,000 years
timesonline.co.uk ^ | 7/15/08

Posted on 07/16/2008 7:59:20 AM PDT by martin_fierro

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To: wildbill

Didn’t see it.


21 posted on 07/16/2008 9:25:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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22 posted on 07/16/2008 9:26:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: DieHard the Hunter; Registered
(Yes, I’m registered.)

Me too.

Is Registered registered?

23 posted on 07/16/2008 9:37:16 AM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: autumnraine
I have a feeling the DNA testing will show alot of adoptions over the years.

And cuckolding...

24 posted on 07/16/2008 9:40:29 AM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Is there a web site to go to if someone wants to be registered?


25 posted on 07/16/2008 5:50:19 PM PDT by Mercat (For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail.)
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To: oh8eleven
Interesting side note: the DNA test produced an exact 25 marker match with another guy who lives in Texas. We do not have the same surname and my family has no known connection to Texas.

You know, someone told me that if you match 25/25 that you are very likely to match pretty close if you upgrade. This has been the case for us. People who matched 25/25 upgraded to 37 and matched 36/37 (different surnames). Turns out there was an unknown adoption back in the late 18th century that no one knew about. Technically, not an adoption, but the child was raised by someone else and the story got lost through the years. If I were you, I'd upgrade and/or look more into this. There is probably something there that you don't know about! A great mystery!

26 posted on 07/16/2008 7:40:32 PM PDT by Jessarah
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To: autumnraine
I would recommend FamilyTreeDna.com They have a huge database and make it easy to compare your results. I've had 3 different lines tested with our Ydna. Two out of the three have really made break throughs for our genealogy. We had an illegitimacy on one and it brought us into a completely new family from the 1800's. Really amazing!

And...if you do it, I would recommend joining a surname group first and doing at least a 25 or 37 marker test. The 12 marker won't show you much of anything unless you have a very unusual surname. With one of our surnames we have over 600 matches on the 12 marker. Doesn't tell us much at all, but the 37 really narrowed it down. We're even upgrading to a 67 now.


I love genealogy DNA!

27 posted on 07/16/2008 7:47:32 PM PDT by Jessarah
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To: Jessarah

Hey, I will write your name down. As I said, I have been studying my ancestry for a while and it’s like a really great puzzle. This DNA is a missing piece for me I think.

Thanks for the information!


28 posted on 07/16/2008 8:03:32 PM PDT by autumnraine
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To: SunkenCiv

Uwe Lange meets a recreation of one of his Bronze Age ancestors

29 posted on 07/16/2008 8:29:08 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Sprechen Sie Deutsch? link.

Skelette aus der Bronzezeit, spannende Fundsituation im Berndsaal der Lichtensteinhöhle

skeletons from the bronzeage, exciting find...

30 posted on 07/16/2008 8:46:58 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Mercat; DieHard the Hunter
Is there a web site to go to if someone wants to be registered?

Yes. But you're not allowed to know about it unless you're registered.

31 posted on 07/16/2008 8:52:26 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks for the pics. It is pretty interesting, human remains that old are rare.


32 posted on 07/16/2008 10:18:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv
GERMAN link.

all is not as it appears in the original article, Google Lichtensteinhöhle for more, unfortunately it's all in german...

no reference to what appears to be evidence of trepanation either...

but what's truly fascinating, is that the number of remains discovered are described as zahllose UNCOUNTABLE.

Discovery area. Very confined space?

Entry. Excellent hiding place maybe?

33 posted on 07/16/2008 10:44:26 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Excellent, until the big wave came? :’)


34 posted on 07/16/2008 11:14:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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Lichtensteinhöhle (images)
Google

35 posted on 07/16/2008 11:18:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

Exactly!

And the few who did not hide in caves, or were not washed away and drowned, survived to become ancestors.

Human remains from that period are rare, whereas animal bones are discovered in abundance.

http://www.zetatalk3.com/usenet/use90591.htm

“...A great many facts point to rapid, catastrophic burial of the plants and animals which are found as fossils today.

Fossil caves, fissures, mass burial sites, and sedimentary strata discovered in Europe and America were jammed with masses of mixed bones of many sorts of animals from widely separated and differing climatic zones, for example:[16 Cumberland Cavern in Maryland, containing remains of animals from cold northern regions, warm, damp semi-tropical regions, and from more arid environments, Norfolk
forest-beds in England, which contain remains of temperate zone plants, and large numbers of both northern cold-climate and tropical warm-climate animals, all mixed together, rock fissures in England and France contain masses of broken bones of many kinds of animals from both cold and temperate zones...”


36 posted on 07/17/2008 12:02:50 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: SunkenCiv

http://images.google.com.au/images?hl=en&q=Lichtensteinh%C3%B6hle&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2


37 posted on 07/17/2008 12:05:13 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Jessarah
There is probably something there that you don't know about! A great mystery!
Without a doubt there's more there and it certainly is a mystery. However, upgrading won't solve this particular case.
With the client's permission (which I gave), Family Tree DNA provides your email address along with your name to anyone on your list of matches. I communicated with my newly found cousin and we could not find a reasonable explanation for our relationship.
Thanks ...
38 posted on 07/17/2008 5:23:24 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Mercat

> Is there a web site to go to if someone wants to be registered?

In Canada I registered thru the Red Cross, as they had jurisdiction for blood and all blood-related products there.

In the US? Lemme check, standby for a mo (checks his handy-dandy browser...)

www.marrow.org looks like a likely place to start, in the US. I’d start by asking your Doctor or GP or health professional, or phone your local public hospital. They are sure to have the right info for your area.

Here in NZ it is run by the various government-funded regional health service providers, who are all linked up internationally. IMO you probably want to be hooked up to the international network, as it provides maximum coverage.

I chose to become a donor in honor of a friend of mine, a fireman whose eldest son needed bone marrow when he became ill with leukemia. Unfortunately I was not a match, and even more unfortunately my friend’s son died without a suitable donor.

The more folk that register, the more likely that there will be a match, somewhere in the world.

*DieHard*


39 posted on 07/18/2008 2:29:05 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

:-( I guess I don’t feel it but I’m over 60 and I’m a cancer survivor so they don’t want me. Thanks though. I’ll just send some money.


40 posted on 07/18/2008 5:37:32 AM PDT by Mercat (For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail.)
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