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Were Neanderthals stoned to death by modern humans?
New Scientist ^ | Thursday, November 20, 2008 | Ewen Callaway

Posted on 11/20/2008 6:21:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv

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To: SunkenCiv
Look I had a lovely supper and all I said was "That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah."


41 posted on 11/20/2008 8:08:56 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (Reagan is back, and this time he's a woman.)
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To: Salamander
"baleful imputes perniciousness or destructiveness to"

And here I thought it imputed a lustful desire on the part of certain females for a certain movie star named Christian.

Silly me.
42 posted on 11/20/2008 8:09:55 PM PST by shibumi (...so if it's organic, where are its organs?)
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To: shibumi

You’ve already got me cranked up about the Stars & Bars...don’t go pushing yer luck.....;-D


43 posted on 11/20/2008 8:13:14 PM PST by Salamander (Welcome to Obamageddon! The best apocalypse foreign money can buy!)
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To: Salamander

That is interesting. In law school a woman from Purdue who studied anthropology determined that I had the skull of a masticulator (bark chewer) because of a ridge down the center of the top of my head. In researching Neandrathals and Cromagnums, I discovered they both had a boney structure on the inside of their jaws which I think I have. I think I am the missing link proving Darwin’s theory :>0


44 posted on 11/20/2008 8:13:29 PM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: DBCJR

How odd.
If by “ridge”, you mean not flat or round but having a distinct “peak” sort of thing, I have that, too.

[and SunkenCiv *always* pings me to the Neanderthal lists just to provoke me]....:))

Yum.
Tasty, tasty birch bark.


45 posted on 11/20/2008 8:19:53 PM PST by Salamander (Welcome to Obamageddon! The best apocalypse foreign money can buy!)
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To: Salamander

We are probably cousins 234,682 times removed


46 posted on 11/20/2008 8:21:53 PM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: JoJo Gunn
From what I understand, the image and caption don’t match. The named woman wasn’t killed due to international pressure. R.I.P. to the unknown woman.

The words right below the photo (the caption) were accurate.

The other words:

"Hajiyeh Esmaelvand was killed in such a manner in December 2004. She was accused of adultery. She is but one victim of this law of the Sharia."

was not part of the caption and was in regard to a different woman, who, as you pointed out, was not killed by stoning.

Thanks for clarifying. I actually didn't realize the named woman wasn't the one in the photo.

47 posted on 11/20/2008 8:23:55 PM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: DBCJR

Who keeps removing us and why?!?

LOL!


48 posted on 11/20/2008 8:36:29 PM PST by Salamander (Welcome to Obamageddon! The best apocalypse foreign money can buy!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Human aerial bombardments might have pushed Neanderthals to extinction, suggests new research. Changes in bone shape left by a life of overhand throwing hint that Stone Age humans regularly threw heavy objects, such as stones or spears, while Neanderthals did not...

Maybe they were avid rockball players.

Honestly, what is the point of reading beyond this opening drivel...

49 posted on 11/20/2008 8:37:20 PM PST by csense
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To: ETL

It appears that the image is actually from a movie:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=27275_About_That_Stoning_Image&only


50 posted on 11/20/2008 8:37:38 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Stupid people shouldn't breed.)
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To: SunkenCiv
This bone rotation only occurs in the throwing arm, so a difference between the right and left arm in fossils could be a sign of projectile use, Rhodes says.

Maybe, if the thrower only used one arm.

If the Neanderthals could throw equally well with either arm and had no preferences or cultural bias then both arms would be similarly developed.

51 posted on 11/20/2008 8:41:34 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Nope, they are still amongst us: murdering, robbing, raping, and committing other like sub-human atrocities.


52 posted on 11/20/2008 8:49:34 PM PST by takenoprisoner (No more rappers!)
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To: Salamander
Tasty, tasty birch bark.

Were any of your ancestors Norwegian? I've read that many Norwegians added bark to their bread to stretch their food resources during the Nazi occupation.

PS, I think that I have that jaw deal too.

53 posted on 11/20/2008 9:26:12 PM PST by GoLightly (Hey, Obama. When's my check going to get here?)
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To: SunkenCiv

54 posted on 11/20/2008 10:57:14 PM PST by JoeProBono ( Loose Associations - Postcards from My Mind)
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To: GoLightly

Danish on Mom’s side.


55 posted on 11/21/2008 1:32:51 AM PST by Salamander (Welcome to Obamageddon! The best apocalypse foreign money can buy!)
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To: Salamander; DBCJR

I think I found where that head ridge thing comes from:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vwmxUi5XKE&NR=1


56 posted on 11/21/2008 1:59:32 AM PST by shibumi (...so if it's organic, where are its organs?)
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To: SunkenCiv

All jokes and off handed dismissals of all things scientific aside, this is an interesting article. Unfortunately the title is a bit misleading.

I’ve heard about the hypotheses before, it’s been around for a while – that Neanderthals living in what was earlier a very heavily wooded Southern Europe at the edges of the glaciers of the last great ice age, hunted prey up close and personal like using short spears and by thrusting them directly into their prey. This makes sense since throwing long spears in densely wooded areas would have resulted in more trees than animals being hit.

And the Neanderthals’ stockier, shorter limbed and more heavily muscled bodies made them suited for this type of hunting – and their bodies, unlike the Homo sapiens were not well suited for running long distances. And the Neanderthals were better suited for a much colder climate.

The early modern humans who developed in a warmer Africa with its open ranges, hunted by throwing spears at animals from farther distances and tracking and running down the wounded animals for the final kill, something that the taller more long limbed humans were well suited for.

When the ice age glaciers receded and modern humans migrated north into a warmer Europe, the new landscape further north gave the humans a distinct advantage in hunting over the Neanderthals and this adaptation might have also given us the advantage if there were conflicts between the two groups.

So in a nutshell (and an overly simplistic explanation), humans were better overhand throwers and runners making us better at hunting and surviving and better suited for modern sports like the javelin and baseball, football, golf etc. were as the poor Neanderthals would have gone hungry and died out and if they had survived would only have been better than us in sports like wresting :),


57 posted on 11/21/2008 3:08:58 AM PST by Caramelgal (Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.)
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To: JoJo Gunn
Well, even if that particular photo is of an actress (they still don't seem 100% sure about it), stoning of women does definitely take place (today) in countries like Iran and Afghanistan. They (LGF) even link to a video of one.

Here is an article from Amnesty International on the matter:

Iran: Death by stoning, a grotesque and unacceptable penalty
15 January 2008

As nine women and two men in Iran wait to be stoned to death, Amnesty International today called on the Iranian authorities to abolish death by stoning and impose an immediate moratorium on this horrific practice, specifically designed to increase the suffering of the victims.

In a new report published today, the organisation called on the authorities urgently to repeal or amend the country's Penal Code and to ensure total adherence in the meantime to a moratorium on stoning issued by the Head of the Judiciary in 2002.

"We welcome recent moves towards reform and reports that the Majles (Iran's parliament) is discussing an amended Penal Code that would permit the suspension of at least some stoning sentences, in cases where it is deemed 'expedient'," said Malcolm Smart, Director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme at Amnesty International. "But the authorities must go much further, and take the steps needed to ensure that the new Penal Code neither permits stoning to death nor provides for execution by other means for adultery."

Iran's Penal Code prescribes execution by stoning. It even dictates that the stones are large enough to cause pain, but not so large as to kill the victim immediately. Article 102 of the Penal Code states that men should be buried up to their waists and women up to their breasts for the purpose of execution by stoning. Article 104 states, with reference to the penalty for adultery, that the stones used should "not be large enough to kill the person by one or two strikes; nor should they be so small that they could not be defined as stones".

The serious failings in the justice system commonly result in unfair trials, including in capital cases. Despite the moratorium imposed in 2002 and official denials that stoning sentences continued to be implemented in Iran, deaths by stoning have been reported. Ja'far Kiani was stoned to death on 5 July 2007 in the village of Aghche-kand, near Takestan in Qazvin province. He had been convicted of committing adultery with Mokarrameh Ebrahimi, with whom he had two children and who was also sentenced to death by stoning. The stoning was carried out despite a stay of execution ordered in his case and in defiance of the 2002 moratorium.

It was the first officially confirmed stoning since the moratorium, although a woman and a man are known to have been stoned to death in Mashhad in May 2006. There are fears that Mokarrameh Ebrahimi may yet suffer the same fate. She is in Choubin prison, Qazvin province, apparently with one of her two children.

Amnesty International is equally worried about the remaining eight women and two men who may face the same fate, and whose cases are highlighted in the new report.

The majority of those sentenced to death by stoning are women. Women suffer disproportionately from such punishment. One reason is that they are not treated equally before the law and courts, in clear violation of international fair trial standards. They are particularly vulnerable to unfair trials because they are more likely than men to be illiterate and therefore more likely to sign confessions to crimes they did not commit. Discrimination against women in other aspects of their lives also leaves them more susceptible to conviction for adultery.

In spite of this gloomy reality, there are grounds to hope that death by stoning will be completely abolished in Iran in the future. Courageous efforts are being made by local human rights defenders in Iran who launched the "Stop Stoning Forever" campaign following the May 2006 stonings in Mashhad. Since they began, their efforts have helped save four women and one man - Hajieh Esmailvand, Soghra Mola’i, Zahra Reza'i, Parisa A and her husband Najaf - from stoning. As well, another woman, Ashraf Kalhori, has had her stoning sentence temporarily stayed.

"We urge the Iranian authorities to heed our calls, and those of the Iranians who are striving relentlessly to obtain an end to this horrendous practice,"said Malcolm Smart.

But these efforts have come at a high price. Campaigners in Iran continue to face harassment and intimidation from the authorities. Asieh Amini, Shadi Sadr and Mahboubeh Abbasgholizadeh, another leading member of "Stop Stoning Forever", were among 33 women arrested while protesting in March 2007 about the trial of five women's rights activists in Tehran. Thirty-one of the detainees were released by 9 March. Mahboubeh Abbasgholizadeh and Shadi Sadr were released on bail of 200 million toumans (over US$215,000) on 19 March. They are likely to face trial, possibly on charges including "disturbing public order" and "acting against state security".

Human rights defenders in Iran believe that international publicity and pressure, in support of local efforts, can help bring about change in the country.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/iran-death-stoning-grotesque-and-unacceptable-penalty-20080115

58 posted on 11/21/2008 3:20:20 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: ETL

The leftists got all atwitter over David Horowitz, et al, using the image for Islam Awareness Week, but otherwise they ignore that stoning goes on.

To give barbarians a pass is “progressive”, ya understand.


59 posted on 11/21/2008 3:30:26 AM PST by JoJo Gunn (Stupid people shouldn't breed.)
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To: shibumi

I finally feel connected to the universe


60 posted on 11/21/2008 4:26:34 AM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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