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Danube Delta Holds Answers to ‘Noah’s Flood’ Debate [science]
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution ^ | January 22, 2009 | Media Relations

Posted on 01/23/2009 8:15:56 PM PST by Coyoteman

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1 posted on 01/23/2009 8:15:59 PM PST by Coyoteman
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To: Coyoteman

Or maybe the Genesis account is true.


2 posted on 01/23/2009 8:22:50 PM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: DBCJR

Depends on how you interpret it, yes?


3 posted on 01/23/2009 8:24:02 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: DBCJR
Or maybe the Genesis account is true.

The timing is off by thousand of years.

The size is off by orders of magnitude.

The effects are off by many orders of magnitude.

4 posted on 01/23/2009 8:27:28 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

So, are you saying there were two floods at different times?


5 posted on 01/23/2009 8:32:38 PM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: DevNet

I suppose most things are like that.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=216538&title=changefest-09-obamas-inaugural


6 posted on 01/23/2009 8:36:55 PM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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So, are you saying there were two floods at different times?

There does not seem to be a global flood 4,350 years ago, the time specified by biblical scholars.

There does seem to be another, but very much smaller flood, several thousand years earlier. Archaeologists are working on the details. That's what the article is about.

7 posted on 01/23/2009 8:42:59 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

I’m aware of what the article is about. My question was really aimed at your interpretation of these findings with respect to scriptural account.


8 posted on 01/23/2009 8:46:48 PM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: Coyoteman

Interesting, thanks.


9 posted on 01/23/2009 9:06:32 PM PST by FFranco
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To: Coyoteman

The Age of the Universe
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1576941/posts

“The timing is off by thousand of years. “

Or maybe it isn’t.


10 posted on 01/23/2009 9:17:49 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: FFranco

If you’re looking for a Genesis analog, look to the Persian Gulf. The same thing would have happened there after the end of the last ice age. The land would have been very wet and fertile so there could have been a “civilization” there (probably stretching the word there).


11 posted on 01/23/2009 9:18:01 PM PST by Raymann
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To: metmom

“One of the most obvious perceived contradictions between Torah and science is the age of the universe. Is it billions of years old, like scientific data, or is it thousands of years, like Biblical data?”

When the article begins by directly stating the Bible says the universe is thousands of years old - it doesn’t - how can one trust anything else the author says?


12 posted on 01/23/2009 9:45:05 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: Coyoteman
There does seem to be another, but very much smaller flood, several thousand years earlier.

Which could have come from a bigger flood before that. Do you have a timeline or something that has to do with what you are talking about. I really am interested in it.

13 posted on 01/23/2009 9:49:28 PM PST by Force of Truth (Sarah Palin in 2012!!!!!! WOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Force of Truth
Which could have come from a bigger flood before that. Do you have a timeline or something that has to do with what you are talking about. I really am interested in it.

Biblical scholars place the global flood about 4,350 years ago. Here are some citations:

2252 BC -- layevangelism.com

2304 BC -- Answers in Genesis (+/- 11 years).

2350 BC -- Morris, H. Biblical Creationism. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 1993.

2370 BC -- TalkOrigins.com

2500 BC -- http://www.nwcreation.net/biblechrono.html

2522 BC -- Dr. Gerhard Hasel

2978-3128 BC -- http://www.asa3.org/archive/ASA/199605/0162.html

3537 BC -- Setterfield (1999)

The Black Sea event was much earlier--that is the subject of the article, determining the age and extent of that flood.

It is thought by some that the biblical flood had its origins in the Black Sea event. In any case the archaeology of that event is interesting to me.

14 posted on 01/23/2009 10:09:44 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Force of Truth; Coyoteman
Just so you know, Coyoteman is a militant atheist. He has an agenda.
I'm not saying to disregard what he posts, just understand his aims. He posts anything that attacks Christianity in favor of his belief system.

To Coyoteman,
How's the fundraiser going bishop? Trolling for converts?

15 posted on 01/23/2009 10:29:19 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: IrishCatholic

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion

— Saint Augustine


16 posted on 01/24/2009 6:04:52 AM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: Raymann
"If you’re looking for a Genesis analog, look to the Persian Gulf. The same thing would have happened there after the end of the last ice age. The land would have been very wet and fertile so there could have been a “civilization” there (probably stretching the word there)."

The Persian Gulf was 'bone dry' during the Ice Age.

17 posted on 01/24/2009 9:08:58 AM PST by blam
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To: DevNet
Very nice post. Thank you. After 1700 years the saint speaks of contemporary mindsets. I wish I had this when Pelosi was speaking on Meet the Press last fall.
18 posted on 01/24/2009 2:33:25 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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Noahs Flood : The New Scientific Discoveries About The Event That Changed History Noah's Flood:
The New Scientific Discoveries
About The Event That Changed History

by William Ryan
Walter Pitman

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19 posted on 01/24/2009 2:47:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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