it looks like such a small crack:
push both sides together, nice fit? Earthquake...
Posted on 01/23/2009 8:15:56 PM PST by Coyoteman
That where we will find our human history. Under the coastlines of the world.
Thanks for the ping, SC. (can I call you that?)
SC is fine. :’) Also ‘Civ, and I’ll answer to “Sunk” although that’s not a big fave. ;’)
Off the coast of northern Turkey, 311 feet (95 meters) below the Black Sea, explorer Robert Ballard has discovered remains of an ancient structure that was apparently flooded in a deluge of biblical proportions. The find may lend credence to a theory that a Black Sea flood gave rise to the Noah story and other flood legends.
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During the 1999 expedition, Ballard’s team discovered a submerged ancient shoreline with a flat beach area beneath about 550 feet(168 meters) of water...
So how do you reconcile the two different studies?
that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us,[a] the apostles of the Lord and Savior,
3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”
5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. (2 Peter 3:2-7)
Yet another end-time Biblical prophecy fulfilled.
As an interested lay man I blame continental drift.
For those talking about Noah's flood, I suspect it was a low probability, high impact event ~4K years ago that lost absolutely nothing in the retelling (I suspect it was a tropical storm raining itself out over the Zagros Mountains that flooded Mesopotamia).
So how do you reconcile the two different studies?
Not having the wherewithal to independently research the two(of many) studies, I'm left instead making a choice of which I favor as more plausible or believable. I suspect you are in a similar situation?
Coincidentally, Robert Ballard was with the Woods Hole group for 30 years. Who do you choose to believe???
A foundling infant grew up incredibly fast and soon showed signs of fantastic strength. He earned the name "Iron-shoes" from the footwear he needed. He set out on a journey and met with and joined three other extraordinary men--
"Nose-wind", who had extraordinarily powerful breath;
"Long-rake", who crumbled mountains with his rake, and
"Waterfall", who made rivers by pissing.
They went to an old woman's home and were invited to spend the night, but the woman locked them in, and the men realized that she and her four sons were tigers in disguise.
The tigers tried to kill them by roasting the room, but Nose-wind kept it cool by his blowing.
The next day, the woman challenged them to a contest of gathering pine trees while her sons stacked them.
When it became clear that the four brothers ripped up the trees faster than the tigers could stack them, the woman set fire to the logs.
Waterfall, though, made water which not only put out the fire, but created a flood that nearly drowned the tigers.
Nose-wind blew on the water and froze it. Iron-shoes skated out and kicked the heads off the tigers, and Long-rake broke up the ice and threw it far and wide, eliminating any trace of the flood...
Hmmm...something appeared very fast, grew huge, there was a powerful storm, great heat...trees were uprooted, mountains crumbled, then the water froze suddenly, the ice was smashed and broken...
Samothrace:
The sea rose when the barriers dividing the Black Sea from the Mediterranean burst, releasing waters from the Black Sea in a great torrent that washed over part of the coast of Asia and the lowlands of Samothrace. The survivors on Samothrace retreated to the mountains and prayed for deliverance.
On being saved, they set up monuments to the event and built alters on which to continue sacrifices through the ages. Fishermen still occasionally draw up parts of stone columns in their nets, signs of cities drowned in the sea. [Frazer, pp. 167-168]
That Frazer quote is also in “Noah’s Flood” — the authors of that book claim that the folklore about the flood coming *out* of the Black Sea was a consequence of the migration of some survivors of the Black Sea flood from the now-submerged basin to Samothrace. That’s a pretty weak explanation IMHO, particularly since the submerged towns could still be seen off Samothrace during antiquity. :’)
it looks like such a small crack:
push both sides together, nice fit? Earthquake...
It is indeed very interesting. In some biblical scholarship the ‘world’ can be interpreted to mean the extent of the settlements by the sons of Adam. That may be no more than around the Med and Black Seas and a catastrophic event such as inundation by the Med breaking through to create the Black Sea region could have been the ‘great flood’, but it would need to be accompanied by an inundation from the Atlantic into the Med first, then bursting through to inundated the ‘valley’ where the Black Sea now is.
endlessly fascinating subject:
“...Sediment samples from below the deep seafloor of the Mediterranean Sea, which include evaporite minerals, soils, and fossil plants, show that about 5.9 million years ago in the late Miocene period the precursor of the modern Strait of Gibraltar closed tight, and the Mediterranean Sea evaporated into a deep dry basin with a bottom at some places 2 to 3 miles (3.2 to 4.9 km) below the world ocean level.[5] Even now the Mediterranean is saltier than the North Atlantic because of its near isolation by the Straits of Gibraltar and its high rate of evaporation.
If the Strait of Gibraltar closes again, which is likely to happen in the near geological future (though extremely distant on a human time scale), the Mediterranean would evaporate completely in about a thousand years.[6]...
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Messinian_Salinity_Crisis
...the Strait of Gibraltar. Oooh…looks like a nice submarine fan building out into the Atlantic right out of the strait.
:’) “(...the pile of water was tremendous)”.
Another one from that site:
Iskender-Iulcarni (Alexander the Great), in the course of his conquests, demanded tribute from Katife, Queen of Smyrna. She refused insultingly and threatened to drown the king if he persisted. Enraged at her insolence, the conqueror determined to punish the queen by drowning her in a great flood. He employed Moslem and infidel workmen to make a strait of the Bosporus, paying the infidel workmen one-fifth as much as the Moslems got. When the canal was nearly completed, he reversed the pay arrangements, giving the Moslems only one-fifth as much as the infidels. The Moslems quit in disgust and left the infidels to finish the canal. The Black Sea swept away the last dike and drowned the workmen. The flood spread over Queen Katife's country (drowning her) and several cities in Africa. The whole world would have been engulfed, but Iskender-Iulcarni was prevailed upon to open the Strait of Gibraltar, letting the Mediterranean escape into the ocean. Evidence of the flood can still be seen in the form of drowned cities on the coast of Africa and ship moorings high above the coast of the Black Sea. [Gaster, pp. 91-92]
Had not heard of these ship moorings before. Will have to do some looking around to see just how high they might be. What appears obvious is that the Black Sea(and the Med?) along with most other bodies of water have undergone large transformations over the millennea.
...I read that one...but for the life of me, I couldn’t see how Alexander the Great, who died in 323BC (IIRC) could be accused of cheating muslim workmen...mohammad wasn’t born until late sixth century AD.
Anyway, muslim men don’t work...
He has set free the two seas meeting together. There is a barrier between them. They do not transgress. (Quran, 55:19-20)
But when the Quran speaks about the divider between fresh and salt water, it mentions the existence of “a forbidding partition” with the barrier. God has said in the Quran:
He is the one who has set free the two kinds of water, one sweet and palatable, and the other salty and bitter. And He has made between them a barrier and a forbidding partition. (Quran, 25:53)
http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-e.htm
It takes quite a bit of imagination (plagiarism) to connect the koran to the Black Mediterranean question...but that's islam for ya...
...I meant to write ‘Black Sea-Meditteranean’ ...
http://alex.eled.duth.gr/Samothrace/en3.html
According to the Samothracian myth of the great flood, which is but a variation of the panhellenic myth of the Greek cataclysm, and the rescue of Deucalion and Pyrrha, it was here on Samothrace’s mountains that the Kaveiri were saved.
As witnessed by the findings near the present village of Karyotes, the island was inhabited in prehistoric times. Possibly during the Neolithic Era, certainly during the Bronze Age.
Not to mention Alexander's "flood" would have occurred, like, yesterday!!! Someone has been noodling with the flood myth machine. Anyway, what struck me was the reference to the moorings high above the present water level. Gotta wonder about what could have caused that.
Like traffic merging on a highway, the water flow is constricted in both directions because it must pass over a shallow submarine barrier, the Camarinal Sill. When large tidal flows enter the Strait, internal waves (waves at the density boundary layer) are set off at the Camarinal Sill as the high tide relaxes. The waves?sometimes with heights up to 100 m ? travel eastward. Even though the waves occur at great depth and the height of the waves at the surface is almost nothing, they can be traced in the sunglint because they concentrate the biological films on the water surface, creating slight differences in roughness.
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