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Rome's Tremendous Tunnel [100 kilometers long, century to dig it]
Speigel ^ | Wednesday, March 11, 2009 | Matthias Schulz

Posted on 03/13/2009 8:35:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

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To: SteelRain

I forgot about that project 50 years is a very long time. I am surprised we started it.


21 posted on 03/13/2009 10:56:38 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: SunkenCiv
I went to Gadara about a year ago. What a phenomenal place. Below are a few pics.
Chariot ruts worn into the road through Gadara
Gadara

22 posted on 03/14/2009 3:38:12 AM PDT by Rocco DiPippo
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To: Rocco DiPippo

Wow, nice! Thanks! Looks like they had good reason to gather more water.


23 posted on 03/14/2009 4:58:29 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Definitely! It’d be nice if they can find out just how long the project actually took. By digging down in multiple places and digging both ways toward the adjacent tunnellers, the tunnel could have been completed in much less time, and that method was used before this tunnel was begun. The Persians for example (actually they inherited the method from earlier people) had the qanat, which channeled water from wells over sometimes great distances in order to irrigate areas with no available ground water. For some reason — probably increasing population in a normally dry summer climate, but also possibly declining rainfall — the Mycenaean Greeks would here and there dig cisterns under the cities or at least the palace. At Gla OTOH, the rivers and streams were rechanneled around the edge of the basin, and shafts were dug, in order to dry out a lake and produce additional square miles of farmland. During early classical times, the tyrant on one island in the eastern Aegean had a shaft similar to this Roman one bored all the way through the central mountain in order to supply his growing city with water.


24 posted on 03/14/2009 5:13:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Tainan

I hadn’t either. The Romans built so much that isn’t well known that we’ve no doubt got more surprises in store.


25 posted on 03/14/2009 5:15:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Sure - Incitatus.


26 posted on 03/14/2009 5:17:06 AM PDT by patton (America is born in Iceland, and dies in California)
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To: SteelRain

Cooridor H in West VA.


27 posted on 03/14/2009 5:18:54 AM PDT by patton (America is born in Iceland, and dies in California)
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To: farmer18th; blam; Mad_Tom_Rackham; Steve Van Doorn; 2harddrive; ansel12; ...
Thanks all!
Dujiangyan Irrigation Project of China
...and of course...

Fucine Lake
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28 posted on 03/14/2009 5:20:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
Outstanding Post! Thanks

I have gone in the great cisterns in southern Italy and could not believe that such large and great storage facilities could have existed in that time frame. Following are photos of one of the two that I have visited.

http://www.archaeology-images.com/photo-galleries/Italy/Campania/Naples-province/Bacoli-Cento-Camerelle/index.html

29 posted on 03/14/2009 5:29:08 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (I will always be a Soldier)
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To: SunkenCiv

Yeah, the aquaducts were ingenious and prodigious works of engineering—but just getting the water from one place to another over long distances is just one part of the story.

It’s what they did with the water that is the real story. It didn’t just flood out the end into the desert or city.

No, they build underground water systems to provide fountains to serve whole neighborhoods, self-flushing sewers, public baths and in home water service to the rich folks.

Imagine the technical expertise to control and regulate that flow of water to make it operate smoothly without simply spewing out uselessly.


30 posted on 03/14/2009 5:36:08 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: YOUGOTIT
Thanks! When the Romans built from scratch -- which is what they did with Constantinople -- they really went to town. The cistern for ancient C was built first, in part to provide a level building surface for whatever was constructed on the surface. The Byzantines later constructed a big-ass aquaeduct reaching over a hundred miles into, well, the Balkans, to provide water for the city. In the late medieval/early Renaissance time frame, the Italian town of (I think it was) Siena dug an underground water handling system. And the book below describes a hydro project of Leonardo da Vinci:
Fortune Is a River: Leonardo Da Vinci and Niccolo Machiavellis Magnificent Dream to Change the Course of Florentine History Fortune Is a River:
Leonardo Da Vinci and
Niccolo Machiavelli's
Magnificent Dream to Change
the Course of Florentine History

by Roger D. Masters


31 posted on 03/14/2009 6:03:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: wildbill

The Romans, they had it goin’ on.


32 posted on 03/14/2009 6:04:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: going hot

Hard rock mining tends to cause innovations like you wouldn’t believe. A superb example are the old silver mines of Mexico built by the Spanish with Indian slaves. In that case, even iron was at a premium, every bit of it imported from Spain.

This meant that most of the mining was done with wood, water, leather, animal and human labor. One such mine in a mountain radically reduced the labor needed to haul away tailings by cutting an angular, downward shaft through the mountain, like a laundry chute. But the shaft was not a rough cut, having smooth walls.

Another later innovation was amusing. Because the refined silver had to be transported a long distance from the mine, robbery was a major problem. The solution was to craft a giant ball of silver with handles, so heavy it could only be pulled by a large team of horses, the only one of which was owned by the mining company.

When the caravan transporting the silver was attacked, they would abandon the silver, and ride off with the team of horses. This left the frustrated robbers with a huge ball of silver that they couldn’t move, or cut, or do anything with, long enough for the authorities to arrive.


33 posted on 03/14/2009 6:16:15 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Rocco DiPippo

Excellent...thanks for the photos.


34 posted on 03/14/2009 7:47:22 AM PDT by blam
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To: patton

Inebrius Maximus.


35 posted on 03/14/2009 10:53:39 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The inmates are now officially running the asylum.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Not yet, but I am considering it.

Meanwhile -

In Vino, Veni, Veritas.


36 posted on 03/14/2009 10:59:36 AM PDT by patton (America is born in Iceland, and dies in California)
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To: SteelRain

The “Duomo” cathedral in Milan (Mediolanum, to the Romans) was begun in th 5th century, and, although mostly complete by the 1890, it is still under contstruction.


37 posted on 03/14/2009 11:00:15 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The inmates are now officially running the asylum.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Indeed, and typical of great cathedrals. La Sagrada Familia in Barcelona will take who knows how long. Even St. John the Divine in NYC is still very much incomplete.


38 posted on 03/14/2009 7:18:12 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile
Yes — and if you were so fortunate as to visit one, you would understand why. They are magnificent creations, almost unbelievable. The cathedrals in Milan, Florence, and Rome are wondrous. The sight of the Duomo in Milan, as you climb the stairs from the subway into the main square, the sunlight reflecting from it's white/pink marble fascia, is a memory for a lifetime.
39 posted on 03/14/2009 8:43:55 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The inmates are now officially running the asylum.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Oh I understand why...I have been fortunate indeed. Fortunate enough to visit countless great churches, cathedrals and basilicas. Ones in all of the cities you mention and many more.
40 posted on 03/15/2009 12:46:02 AM PDT by americanophile
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